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Blood group evidence proves that ancient Egyptians were Caucasians
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This evidence was researched and provided to me by a good friend of mine (Nefertiti) who, by demonstrating that ancient Egyptians were of blood group A2 of the M/N antigen, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the ancient Egyptians were Caucasians:

Diop states: “It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)

“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)

Ancient Egyptian mummies were tested by anthropologists and other experts as to their actual blood group, which they determined was A2 with M/N antigens, proving that these ancient people were of Caucasian race:

“..when blood groupings were established by Dr. Connolly of Liverpool University, that the King [Tutankhamen] was of blood group A2 with the antigens M and N present… this was identical to the blood group of the body in Tomb 55…Harrison surmised that the body in Tomb 55 was in all probability Tutankhamen’s brother, Smenkhkare.” (“Tutankhamen: The Life and Death of the Boy-King” 2001 El Mahdy)

“Furthermore, both Tutankhamun and the body in question were blood group A2, with the serum antigen MN, all suggesting close consanguinity” (“Ancient Egyptian Medicine” 2002 Nunn)

“An X-ray examination of the mummy of Tutankhamun in the Valley of the Kings revealed a striking resemblance to the mummy from Tomb 55, now believed to be that of Smenkhkare. Both have the same blood group, and may very well have been brothers.” (“The Remains Of Tutankhamun” Antiquity 46, 1972 Harrison, Abdallah)

“A new serological micromethod has been used to show that the XVIIIth dynasty pharaohs Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen both belong to the same blood groups A2 and MN.” (“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by Serological Micromethod: Microdetermination of Blood Group Substances in Ancient Human Tissue” October 1969; Nature )

“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by serological micromethod. Nature 224: 325-6. R.C. Connolly and R.G. Harrison” (“Ancient Egypt Materials And Technology” 2000 Nicholson, Shaw)

“Tissues from the mummies of Yuya, Thuya and Amenhotep III were examined and it is argued that queen Tiy may have demonstrated the blood group A2B and Sitamun her daughter A2MN, the same as Tutankhamun and Smenkhkare.” (“Serological Evidence For the Parentage O Tutankhamun and Smenkhkare” 1976 Harrison, Connolly)

“The results of these investigates demonstrate that all three mummified remains are group A and by differential exclusion A2. Amenophis III, in addition was shown to be group M, whereas both Yuya and Thuya were group N.” (“Journal Of Egyptian Archaeology Volume 62” 1976 Egypt Exploration Fund)

“All three samples were blood group A – specifically A2– but in the MNS system Amenhotep III’s blood group was M, while Yuya’s and Thuya’s were both group N. As their daughter, Tiye’s combined blood group would have been A2N. Her children by Amenhotep III would have been A2MN – and this means that Amenhotep and Tiye could have been Tutankhamen’s parents, as this was his blood group… Their daughter Sitamun’s blood group would also have been A2MN – so Tutankhamen could have inherited his blood group from her. It’s equally likely statistically. Not being able to get a definitive answer was disappointing – but working out Queen Tiye’s and Sitamun’s blood groups may prove useful for identification purposes if more female bodies are discovered.” (“Kinship of Smenkhare and Tutankhamen demonstrated serologically” 1969 Harrison, Connolly & Abdalla)

According to Microbiologist Scott Woodward, analysis of mummies spanning an 8-generation period in the 18th Dynasty revealed a "very narrow gene pool," and that there was no intermarriage outside of the royal family. [He] has taken genetic samples from 27 high-profile royal mummies and 500 lesser-known mummies stored at Cairo's Egyptian Museum. (“A History Of DNA Testing On Egyptian New Kingdom Royals” 2002 Charles Pope)



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Blood type can't tell anything conclusively about race. While certain blood groups are more prevalent in certain parts of the world it is not reliable. Although type A may be more prevalent in Western Euros it is also prevalent in certain Native-American tribes.

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"Blood group A is associated with high frequencies in Europe, especially in Scandinavia and Central Europe, although its highest frequencies occur in some Australian Aborigine populations and the Blackfoot Indians of Montana.[50][51]"
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Mine is A+. It doesn't tell anything about anything. You're absolutely right Delilah.
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Yes, but what you forget is that Australian Aborigines and Blackfoot Indians are not from the Mediterranean region; A2 with M/N antigens is almost entirely restricted to Caucasian populations.

This is a very powerful indication that Egyptians are members of the Caucasoid race.
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This evidence was researched and provided to me by a good friend of mine (Nefertiti) who, by demonstrating that ancient Egyptians were of blood group A2 of the M/N antigen, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the ancient Egyptians were Caucasians:

Diop states: “It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)

“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)

Ancient Egyptian mummies were tested by anthropologists and other experts as to their actual blood group, which they determined was A2 with M/N antigens, proving that these ancient people were of Caucasian race:

“..when blood groupings were established by Dr. Connolly of Liverpool University, that the King [Tutankhamen] was of blood group A2 with the antigens M and N present… this was identical to the blood group of the body in Tomb 55…Harrison surmised that the body in Tomb 55 was in all probability Tutankhamen’s brother, Smenkhkare.” (“Tutankhamen: The Life and Death of the Boy-King” 2001 El Mahdy)

“Furthermore, both Tutankhamun and the body in question were blood group A2, with the serum antigen MN, all suggesting close consanguinity” (“Ancient Egyptian Medicine” 2002 Nunn)

“An X-ray examination of the mummy of Tutankhamun in the Valley of the Kings revealed a striking resemblance to the mummy from Tomb 55, now believed to be that of Smenkhkare. Both have the same blood group, and may very well have been brothers.” (“The Remains Of Tutankhamun” Antiquity 46, 1972 Harrison, Abdallah)

“A new serological micromethod has been used to show that the XVIIIth dynasty pharaohs Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen both belong to the same blood groups A2 and MN.” (“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by Serological Micromethod: Microdetermination of Blood Group Substances in Ancient Human Tissue” October 1969; Nature )

“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by serological micromethod. Nature 224: 325-6. R.C. Connolly and R.G. Harrison” (“Ancient Egypt Materials And Technology” 2000 Nicholson, Shaw)

“Tissues from the mummies of Yuya, Thuya and Amenhotep III were examined and it is argued that queen Tiy may have demonstrated the blood group A2B and Sitamun her daughter A2MN, the same as Tutankhamun and Smenkhkare.” (“Serological Evidence For the Parentage O Tutankhamun and Smenkhkare” 1976 Harrison, Connolly)

“The results of these investigates demonstrate that all three mummified remains are group A and by differential exclusion A2. Amenophis III, in addition was shown to be group M, whereas both Yuya and Thuya were group N.” (“Journal Of Egyptian Archaeology Volume 62” 1976 Egypt Exploration Fund)

“All three samples were blood group A – specifically A2– but in the MNS system Amenhotep III’s blood group was M, while Yuya’s and Thuya’s were both group N. As their daughter, Tiye’s combined blood group would have been A2N. Her children by Amenhotep III would have been A2MN – and this means that Amenhotep and Tiye could have been Tutankhamen’s parents, as this was his blood group… Their daughter Sitamun’s blood group would also have been A2MN – so Tutankhamen could have inherited his blood group from her. It’s equally likely statistically. Not being able to get a definitive answer was disappointing – but working out Queen Tiye’s and Sitamun’s blood groups may prove useful for identification purposes if more female bodies are discovered.” (“Kinship of Smenkhare and Tutankhamen demonstrated serologically” 1969 Harrison, Connolly & Abdalla)

According to Microbiologist Scott Woodward, analysis of mummies spanning an 8-generation period in the 18th Dynasty revealed a "very narrow gene pool," and that there was no intermarriage outside of the royal family. [He] has taken genetic samples from 27 high-profile royal mummies and 500 lesser-known mummies stored at Cairo's Egyptian Museum. (“A History Of DNA Testing On Egyptian New Kingdom Royals” 2002 Charles Pope)



Quit trolling for God's sake on this topic, you were already debunked here on the same issue:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002315
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Quit trolling for God's sake on this topic, you were already debunked here on the same issue:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002315
Whatever Stepin Fetchit. Your Egypt Search buddies were completely destroyed here:

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/race-issues/85770-death-blow-racist-afrocentrism.html

I suggest you read this thread over very carefully, negro.

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even haplotype can't really tell you anything about a persons physical appearance. Blood is stronger than genetic morphology. It will last, if mixed in different populations, even if phenotype changes.
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Racial awareness is just trolling, even his own source refutes him:

QUOTE from your own source:

"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu."
-- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).
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This evidence was researched and provided to me by a good friend of mine (Nefertiti) who, by demonstrating that ancient Egyptians were of blood group A2 of the M/N antigen, proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the ancient Egyptians were Caucasians:

Diop states: “It is a notable fact that even today Egyptians, particularly in Upper Egypt, belong to the same Group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding” (“Egypt Revisited, Volume 10” 1989 Van Sertima)

“Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans…there are many varieties of group A… The largest subgroup A2 is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particulary among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area… The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations….European Caucasians...a relatively high incidence of group A2 with moderate frequencies of other blood group genes. Normal frequencies of the gene for blood group M.” (“Complete Blood Type Encyclopedia: The A-Z Reference Guide For The Blood Type” 2002 D’Adamo, Whitney)

Ancient Egyptian mummies were tested by anthropologists and other experts as to their actual blood group, which they determined was A2 with M/N antigens, proving that these ancient people were of Caucasian race:

“..when blood groupings were established by Dr. Connolly of Liverpool University, that the King [Tutankhamen] was of blood group A2 with the antigens M and N present… this was identical to the blood group of the body in Tomb 55…Harrison surmised that the body in Tomb 55 was in all probability Tutankhamen’s brother, Smenkhkare.” (“Tutankhamen: The Life and Death of the Boy-King” 2001 El Mahdy)

“Furthermore, both Tutankhamun and the body in question were blood group A2, with the serum antigen MN, all suggesting close consanguinity” (“Ancient Egyptian Medicine” 2002 Nunn)

“An X-ray examination of the mummy of Tutankhamun in the Valley of the Kings revealed a striking resemblance to the mummy from Tomb 55, now believed to be that of Smenkhkare. Both have the same blood group, and may very well have been brothers.” (“The Remains Of Tutankhamun” Antiquity 46, 1972 Harrison, Abdallah)

“A new serological micromethod has been used to show that the XVIIIth dynasty pharaohs Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen both belong to the same blood groups A2 and MN.” (“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by Serological Micromethod: Microdetermination of Blood Group Substances in Ancient Human Tissue” October 1969; Nature )

“Kinship of Smenkhkare and Tutankhamen affirmed by serological micromethod. Nature 224: 325-6. R.C. Connolly and R.G. Harrison” (“Ancient Egypt Materials And Technology” 2000 Nicholson, Shaw)

“Tissues from the mummies of Yuya, Thuya and Amenhotep III were examined and it is argued that queen Tiy may have demonstrated the blood group A2B and Sitamun her daughter A2MN, the same as Tutankhamun and Smenkhkare.” (“Serological Evidence For the Parentage O Tutankhamun and Smenkhkare” 1976 Harrison, Connolly)

“The results of these investigates demonstrate that all three mummified remains are group A and by differential exclusion A2. Amenophis III, in addition was shown to be group M, whereas both Yuya and Thuya were group N.” (“Journal Of Egyptian Archaeology Volume 62” 1976 Egypt Exploration Fund)

“All three samples were blood group A – specifically A2– but in the MNS system Amenhotep III’s blood group was M, while Yuya’s and Thuya’s were both group N. As their daughter, Tiye’s combined blood group would have been A2N. Her children by Amenhotep III would have been A2MN – and this means that Amenhotep and Tiye could have been Tutankhamen’s parents, as this was his blood group… Their daughter Sitamun’s blood group would also have been A2MN – so Tutankhamen could have inherited his blood group from her. It’s equally likely statistically. Not being able to get a definitive answer was disappointing – but working out Queen Tiye’s and Sitamun’s blood groups may prove useful for identification purposes if more female bodies are discovered.” (“Kinship of Smenkhare and Tutankhamen demonstrated serologically” 1969 Harrison, Connolly & Abdalla)

According to Microbiologist Scott Woodward, analysis of mummies spanning an 8-generation period in the 18th Dynasty revealed a "very narrow gene pool," and that there was no intermarriage outside of the royal family. [He] has taken genetic samples from 27 high-profile royal mummies and 500 lesser-known mummies stored at Cairo's Egyptian Museum. (“A History Of DNA Testing On Egyptian New Kingdom Royals” 2002 Charles Pope)



Quit trolling for God's sake on this topic, you were already debunked here on the same issue:

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=002315




Not so fast, Charlie. Combine the information above - that A2 is highest in certain European populations and the fact that the 18th dynasty had a narrow gene pool and that Tut was classified by anthropologists as Caucasian. There is nothing left to debate.

Charlie Bass
Dec 12 2009, 08:17 AM
Racial awareness is just trolling, even his own source refutes him:

QUOTE from your own source:

"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu."
-- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).


It says "most variants" and does not define where those variants are exactly. It does not say anything about "high frequency" of A2 in Africa either - as it does pertaining to certain European populations.







Obviously what little A2 that exists in Africa, made its way there by ancient Eurasian migrations. Here is something you wont see at "egyptsearch".

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Obviously Africans no matter their race (as there has always been other races in Africa) have nothing over the Swedes. Combine the fact of an anthropologically classified Caucasian Tut and the case is closed.
Edited by KellsCross, Dec 12 2009, 08:42 AM.
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Funny how this keeps getting ignored:


"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu."
-- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).


The source says A2 are among the local variants that are adaptations to local parasites.


Edited by Charlie Bass, Dec 12 2009, 08:49 AM.
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Funny how this keeps getting ignored:


"There are over 20 recognized variants of group A- although about 95% of all As are A1. Most of the variants are found in Africa, and probably represent adaptations to local parasites. These include A2, Ax and A-Bantu."
-- (Complete blood type encyclopedia: the A-Z reference guide for the blood type. By Peter J. D'Adamo, Catherine Whitney, 2002, pg 43).


The source says A2 are among the local variants that are adaptations to local parasites.


Funny how you falsely claim it was "ignored" yet I confronted it head on in my previous post. Now, why don’t you try responding to my rebuttal or can you? Also, while you're at it, find an anthropologist that classified Tut as a negroid.



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Then how can it be explained that my dad and grandad are/were A+ and me and my brother are O+?
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bloud groups should not be used in population genetics, they are not very reliable.
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Yes, Blood Groups arent accurate nor up-to-date science. Even so, Egyptians were/are mostly Caucasians. Not sure whats the big deal with this. Nobody except for the most outrageous moron or racist of any lunacy extreme would think they looked like either Charleton Heston or Wesley Snipes. Moreover I dont think anybody ever claimed they were pure or didnt have any Negro mixture on some small scale.

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gm allotypes arent a good way to study genetics of a population too, its exactly the same principle.
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Yes, Blood Groups arent accurate nor up-to-date science. Even so, Egyptians were/are mostly Caucasians. Not sure whats the big deal with this. Nobody except for the most outrageous moron or racist of any lunacy extreme would think they looked like either Charleton Heston or Wesley Snipes. Moreover I dont think anybody ever claimed they were pure or didnt have any Negro mixture on some small scale.

Total BS, AEs were not "Caucasians", never were at any time, so called "Negroid" traits have always been in the population and still persist to this day.
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think what you want... :poop: Afrocentrist
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Nobody except for the most outrageous moron or racist of any lunacy extreme would think they looked like either Charleton Heston or Wesley Snipes.
yes, you are right, they looked like Aethiopid/Mediterranid, as many studies have told, because they neither looked like William Shatner or Clint Eastwood.
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Nobody except for the most outrageous moron or racist of any lunacy extreme would think they looked like either Charleton Heston or Wesley Snipes.


:D A good one. :lol:

My blood group is A. So maybe ancient Egyptians were East Baltids? :nuts:
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LOL blood type can not speak about race at all. I have A- and iam purely from the Middle East, where its very rare in fact. I look typical from that region.
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