ndr

Nov 7 2009, 01:50 PM

By the way, in another show, the "Jesus is Magic" show, Sarah Silverman also said that she hoped the Jews did in fact kill Jesus and that she would do it again (!).

ndr

Nov 7 2009, 09:59 PM

One aspect that is usually not noticed is that for Judaism Jesus was not only someone who was not the Messiah or a Prophet, or a normal person, he was someone who, in the Jewish view, disobeyed the Torah, who is, as the Mishneh Torah says, a "stumbling block" who makes mankind "err". There is not simply indifference, but positive hostility. So it should not come as a surprise really that some of the Orthodox Jews positively express hostility towards Jesus. From what I read at another site, Larry David was quite vocal against Mel Gibson, by the way.

"Judaism holds the idea of Jesus being God, or a person of a Trinity, or a mediator to God, to be untrue. Judaism also holds that Jesus is not the Messiah, arguing that he had not fulfilled the Messianic prophecies in the Tanakh nor embodied the personal qualifications of the Messiah. According to Jewish tradition, there were no more prophets after Malachi, who lived centuries before Jesus and delivered his prophesies about 420 BC/BCE. Judaism states that Jesus did not fulfill the requirements set by the Torah to prove that he was a prophet. Even if Jesus had produced such a sign that Judaism recognized, Judaism states that no prophet or dreamer can contradict the laws already stated in the Torah, which Jesus did.
The Mishneh Torah (an authoritative work of Jewish law) states in Hilkhot Melakhim 11:10––12 that Jesus is a "stumbling block" who makes "the majority of the world err to serve a divinity besides God".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Judaism.27s_view

"Even Jesus the Nazarene who imagined that he would be Messiah and was killed by the court, was already prophesied by Daniel. So that it was said, "And the members of the outlaws of your nation would be carried to make a (prophetic) vision stand. And they stumbled." (Daniel 11.14) Because, is there a greater stumbling-block than this one? So that all of the prophets spoke that the Messiah redeems Israel, and saves them, and gathers their banished ones, and strengthens their commandments. And this one caused (nations) to destroy Israel by sword, and to scatter their remnant, and to humiliate them, and to exchange the Torah, and to make the majority of the world err to serve a divinity besides God. However, the thoughts of the Creator of the world — there is no force in a human to attain them because our ways are not God's ways, and our thoughts not God's thoughts. And all these things of Jesus the Nazarene, and of (Muhammad) the Ishmaelite who stood after him — there is no (purpose) but to straighten out the way for the King Messiah, and to restore all the world to serve God together. So that it is said, "Because then I will turn toward the nations (giving them) a clear lip, to call all of them in the name of God and to serve God (shoulder to shoulder as) one shoulder."(Zephaniah 3.9) Look how all the world already becomes full of the things of the Messiah, and the things of the Torah, and the things of the commandments! And these things spread among the far islands and among the many nations uncircumcised of heart. "Hilchot Malachim (laws concerning kings) (Hebrew)", MechonMamre.org, Retrieved April 15, 2007

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According to a newly released report by the U.S. State Department Israel fails the requirements of a tolerant pluralistic society.

"Israel dismally fails the requirements of a tolerant pluralistic society, according to a new report from the U.S. State Department. Despite boasting religious freedom and protection of all holy sites, Israel falls short in tolerance toward minorities, equal treatment of ethnic groups, openness toward various streams within society, and respect for holy and other sites. The comprehensive report, written by the State Department's Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, says Israel discriminates against groups including Muslims, Jehova's Witnesses, Reform Jews, Christians, women and Bedouin. The report says that the 1967 law on the protection of holy places refers to all religious groups in the country, including in Jerusalem, but "the government implements regulations only for Jewish sites. Non-Jewish holy sites do not enjoy legal protection under it because the government does not recognize them as official holy sites." At the end of 2008, for example, all of the 137 officially recognized holy sites were Jewish. Moreover, Israel issued regulations for the identification, preservation and guarding of Jewish sites only. Many Christian and Muslim sites are said to be neglected, inaccessible or at risk of exploitation by real estate entrepreneurs and local authorities. The report makes it clear that practices that have become routine in Israel are considered unacceptable in enlightened countries and should be corrected. Among other examples, the report notes that more than 300,000 immigrants who are not considered Jewish under rabbinical law are not allowed to marry and divorce in Israel or be buried in Jewish cemeteries".
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126286.html

Though rarely shown in the media, Christians (clergy inclusive) have been spat on by Israeli Jews for quite some time. According to one Israeli expert on the subject: 'I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he said.

"Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
By Amiram Barkat

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face. Advertisement
The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot. On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student. Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days. But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something. "When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?" he asks. According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, "as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country." Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate. There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday."I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday," he says. Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as "a huge disgrace." He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain. "I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he says. Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. "A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched." Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that, in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished. He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order".
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...&itemNo=487412

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Sarah Silverman’s Obscene Rip At Vatican

Comedian Sarah Silverman appeared on Bill Maher’s HBO show on October 9 attacking the Vatican. She began her monologue bemoaning the plight of world hunger, and then found a solution: “What is the Vatican worth, like 500 billion dollars? This is great, sell the Vatican, take a big chunk of the money, build a gorgeous condominium for you and all your friends to live in…and with the money left over, feed the whole f---ing world.”

Speaking of the pope, Silverman continued, “You preach to live humbly, and I totally agree. So, now maybe it’s time for you to move out of your house that is a city. On an ego level alone, you will be the biggest hero in the history of ever. And by the way, any involvement in the Holocaust, bygones….”

Silverman closed by saying, “If you sell the Vatican, and you take that money, and you use it to feed every single human being on the planet, you will get crazy p---y. All the p---y.”

Catholic League president Bill Donohue responds as follows:

Silverman’s assault on Catholicism is just another example of HBO’s corporate irresponsibility. Time and again, if it’s not Bill Maher thrashing the Catholic Church, it’s one of his guests. There is obviously something pathological going on there: Silverman’s filthy diatribe would never be allowed if the chosen target were the Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem and the state of Israel.

Here’s a reality check for Silverman: the Catholic Church operates more hospitals and feeds more of the poor than any private institution in the world. It also saved more Jews during the Holocaust than any other institution in the world.

Contact HBO head Bill Nelson: Bill.nelson@hbo.com

(Source: Catholic League)

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Now if someone were to do something similar to an object that Larry David himself held dear, on a very public venue such as a television show and reciting the very same "playful and certainly never malicious" line, I genuinely wonder how that man would react.

Yankel

Nov 10 2009, 02:35 AM

Big deal. He's also poked fun at Judaism and made light of the Holocaust (neither of which appears to have offended any of you).

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Now if someone were to do something similar to an object that Larry David himself held dear, on a very public venue such as a television show and reciting the very same "playful and certainly never malicious" line, I genuinely wonder how that man would react.

I don't know Larry David, but my guess is his reaction would depend on whether or not said 'object' actually existed.

See, Christianity is just about as evidence-based as, say, Mesoamerican religion. Anyone who genuinely believes human sacrifice is necessary to appease the gods belongs in a psych. hospital; likewise, anyone who claims to have a 'personal' relationship with Jesus, who probably never existed, is delusional.

So why is [insert Abrahamic religion here] above criticism? (Think about it for a minute, and keep in mind that this isn't a matter of opinion, but one of absolute belief.) Could it be, perhaps, that we're supposed to pretend it's respectable in order to facilitate self-deception among the faithful? Sorry, society, but you can count me out on this one.

Not that any of you really care about Jesus or defending religion. Let's be honest, this is about David's ethnicity for most of you (although I'm sure if he'd pissed on a picture of Muhammad instead, you'd have cheered him on).

Yankel

Nov 10 2009, 02:35 AM

Big deal. He's also poked fun at Judaism and made light of the Holocaust (neither of which appears to have offended any of you).

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And as for you accusing people about this or that regarding their religious convictions, I would caution you to be a little more mindful of your own first.

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Not really. He never made fun of Judaism in the insulting way he did towards Christianity. To do so, he would have had to urinate on the Talmud or the pic of the Rebbe (I have never seen a Jewish comedian to do that). There is a trend of Jewish comedians to make fun of Christianity, in an insulting way, and it is getting commoner each day that passes. To look at how it is really is, how would the Jewish establishment react to insulting humour towards Judaism made by Christian comedians? Would they really let it pass like Christians do?

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He's constantly mocking his own culture. You must not catch his show very often. (Does Curb Your Enthusiasm even air in Brazil?