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Here is a reconstruction of the Homo-Sapiens Mechta-Afalou from North Africa. His 25,000 year old skull was discovered on the site of Afalou in Algeria in 1967.

Facial reconstitution Mechta-Afalou from Algeria was carried out by Elisabeth Daynes, in collaboration with Jean Noel Vignal, after the work of Djillali Hadjouis.

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http://www.daynes.com/en/reconstructions/homo_sapiens,4.php

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And here is also a nice Cro-magnon from France recon done by the same artist:

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The dates for the Afalou predate by tens of thousands of years the proposed date for the arrival of the proto-Berbers. Berbers are only supposed to have arrived in Northwest Africa what? 10,000 years ago? (Their proposed origins are closer to Egypt, or even the Near East.)

If the Afalou are from 25,000 years ago, that makes them a totally different proposition, doesn't it?

I wonder what their main haplogroup was . . . and if it was different from later North Africa Caucasoids [who were mainly E3b and J].

* P.S.--It's interesting that the sculptor gave the 25,000 year-old skull a hooked nose. According to Coon, the aquiline nose is extremely new and originated in Central Asia. Even at the time of the Phoenicians [a mere 3,000 years ago] the main nasal profile of the Levant was straight. Straight noses are the more archaic type. How anachronistic, then, to outfit a 25,000 year-old Afalou with a hooked nose. Cartilage on skulls is an iffy proposition, with forensic artists left to "guess". I think--given the facts--he guessed wrong in this case. He erroneously based it on modern populations when he shouldn't have. But no matter.
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he is an Ibero-maursusian type and there is some slight difference of features between the mechta afalo themselves and Taforalt
because The men of the Upper Paleolithic of Afalou Bou Rhummel (Bedjaia, Algeria). Interpretation of the kinetic craniofacial and effects of dental avulsion. Cranial malformations, impaired growth, abnormalities and alveolar-dental diseases of the cranio-facial and dental mutilation cinetica effects. Cranial malformations, growth's perturbation, dental abnormalities and illness
Cranial malformations of mechta afalo
the afalo features are not due or linked to the modern ethnic features of the middle easterns but related to disruption of growth, dental anomalies and disease
I think that Mechta Afalo are so related to the Proto-Mediteraneans with characters evolving in connection with the expansion of their Mesolithic cultures towards near east and Eurasia. a Contact with the latest composite populations, it is still found in forms racially mixed until the Neolithic.
according to this French study about Mechta homo-sapien
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14647940
but they are all Cromagnons (Mechta-afalo and Taforalt) , there is no relation of origins to the middle east except for Europe !
Edited by samysamy25, Sep 11 2009, 06:57 PM.
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Great find, Crimson. Looks quite "Atlantic". I see hints of Orlando Bloom in him. My guess is he would also be a sort of "prototype" for Southern Italians prior to the Neolithic. Paleolithic substrata.
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Sep 11 2009, 05:38 PM
The dates for the Afalou predate by tens of thousands of years the proposed date for the arrival of the proto-Berbers. Berbers are only supposed to have arrived in Northwest Africa what? 10,000 years ago? (Their proposed origins are closer to Egypt, or even the Near East.)

If the Afalou are from 25,000 years ago, that makes them a totally different proposition, doesn't it?

I wonder what their main haplogroup was . . . and if it was different from later North Africa Caucasoids [who were mainly E3b and J].

* P.S.--It's interesting that the sculptor gave the 25,000 year-old skull a hooked nose. According to Coon, the aquiline nose is extremely new and originated in Central Asia. Even at the time of the Phoenicians [a mere 3,000 years ago] the main nasal profile of the Levant was straight. Straight noses are the more archaic type. How anachronistic, then, to outfit a 25,000 year-old Afalou with a hooked nose. Cartilage on skulls is an iffy proposition, with forensic artists left to "guess". I think--given the facts--he guessed wrong in this case. He erroneously based it on modern populations when he shouldn't have. But no matter.
Is it true that the proto Berbers "Capsians" outnumbered the Afalou males and take their women?I read that one several forums.
Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups in Algeria :
E1b1b "African":51%
CT"African":1%
J1"Middle eastern":35%
R1 "Eurasian":5%
G Eurasian 5%
T"Asian":4%
mitochondrial DNA haplogroups in Algeria:
African:
Mt*:13%
L3:15%
M1:13%
Eurasian:
JT:17%
Uk:6%
H:34%
:IWX:5%
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If using the latest find on the Canary Islanders, then E3b and J1 this man(and people) mightve belonged to:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/2079234/

Also a study on Cromagnon remains from southern Italy also point to near eastern affiliation. Europe was always colonized from Asia.

This is interesting:

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http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/extension-into-the-sahara-of-the-mechta-afalou-type/

This Brace one puts them closer to Mongolia:

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http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/12/questionable-contribution-of-neolithic.html

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This artist also has one of the Homo-Sapiens Chancelade, which looks Armenoid:

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I agree with u Grimson it seems that Armenoids (holder of J) is arrived in N Africa from the neolithic era more likely at the begining of capsian era
miao ,capsians are not proto-berbers and ur conclusions have no senses
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I was reading up some of the Afalou Cromagoid skulls in Coon's TROE, they keep getting associated with European Alpines and Mesocephalic Mediterranean from Muge, Portugal. Which is his "Coarse-Mediterranean" type.

http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/04-11.htm

Supposedly Camile Arambourg in his book '' L'Homme avant l'écriture '' mentions that Mechtoid types are still found among the Muge population in Portugal. I cant find a good citation on this but its interesting.

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yeah so right ! very good point, I also often informed on the relationship of the Alpine and north Africa
it shows that our friend the afalo men is a direct responsible
no just Portugal or other European countries but also the "Coarse-Mediterranean" are so observed in N africa
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Sep 11 2009, 10:04 PM
I agree with u Grimson it seems that Armenoids (holder of J) is arrived in N Africa from the neolithic era more likely at the begining of capsian era
miao ,capsians are not proto-berbers and ur conclusions have no senses
I read it on this website but it's in French

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/atil/atil/w2.htm

It says that they migrated to north Africa and the Proto-Capsiens Éburriens came from Kenya
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Sep 11 2009, 11:08 PM
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Sep 11 2009, 10:04 PM
I agree with u Grimson it seems that Armenoids (holder of J) is arrived in N Africa from the neolithic era more likely at the begining of capsian era
miao ,capsians are not proto-berbers and ur conclusions have no senses
I read it on this website but it's in French

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/atil/atil/w2.htm

It says that they migrated to north Africa and the Proto-Capsiens Éburriens came from Kenya
there are several capsians by several typical names and the capsians are composite by two important ethnicities
the Iberu-Maurusians(natives to N africa) and the armenoids(balcanic-anatolian people-holder of J-dna)
The Capsian is a culture of Epipaleolithic North Africa. It owes its name to the town of Gafsa in Tunisia, formerly called Capsa, near which was discovered the site of El Mekta. The deposits are often Capsian snail, piles of snail shells and ashes which are mixed tools and kitchen refuse. One of the cultural elements of the original Capsian is achieving engraving on ostrich eggs.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsien
so! according to ur article some capsians are returned to the north Africa other are expanded to the middle east and Mediteranea and horn africa
those who are proto-capsian are mainly Iberu-Maurusians of Metchoid/afalo type expanded to niger and to horn africa
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/extension-into-the-sahara-of-the-mechta-afalou-type/
and they are simply so semilar to the capsians by culture and technology cause capsian meant a neolithic culture not a race or an ethnic group !!
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Eburran is a term used for the hunter–gatherers in highlands of East Africa. The Mediterranean Caucasoid element which East Africans are mixed with is the local Berberid(aka Atlanto-Mediterranean).
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Sep 11 2009, 11:31 PM
Eburran is a term used for the hunter–gatherers in highlands of East Africa. The Mediterranean Caucasoid element which East Africans are mixed with is the local Berberid(aka Atlanto-Mediterranean).
so the Mediteranid Element in horn africa are mainly berberid by majority with an armenoid minority
it's due to the capsian and Metchoid expansions !!
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* P.S.--It's interesting that the sculptor gave the 25,000 year-old skull a hooked nose. According to Coon, the aquiline nose is extremely new and originated in Central Asia.
Not really:

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The nose of the Afalou type is perfectly European in bony conformation. The paired nasal bones unite at a sharp angle, without trace of flattening, while the bridges are high and mostly convex


Upper Palaeolithic hunters of North Africa

http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/02-08.htm

Aurignacian Man in East Africa

http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/02-09.htm

Interestingly enough, his description of the Southern Italian "Coarse-Mediterranean" also has convex noses:

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so the Mediteranid Element in horn africa are mainly berberid by majority


Yeah, the Berberid type:

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can somebody tell me why scientists say that afalou was related to both european cromagnon and nubians, cause i dont note any negoid feature in this man(perfectly caucasoid)
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This reconstruct to the right is intermediate through the features, down below there appears to be an emphasis on angularity that's all, gonial angles also. No representation of squat faced extremes with eurene profiles. This one must have been a longitypus aurignacoid and again this specimen might be lacking brachytypus physical characterestics.

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Dec 14 2009, 12:51 AM
This reconstruct to the right is intermediate through the features, down below there appears to be an emphasis on angularity that's all, gonial angles also. No representation of squat faced extremes with eurene profiles. This one must have been a longitypus aurignacoid and again this specimen might be lacking brachytypus physical characterestics.

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i really dont see the negro in him...
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This artist also has one of the Homo-Sapiens Chancelade, which looks Armenoid:

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Some authors used to think Chancelade was a Mongoloid or precisely, Eskimid. :lol:

Really dont understand some anthropologists, but I suppose they dont think like regular people or harbor their own ideas of the racial origins.
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is it the same for afalou(the anthropologists say afalou exhibit both cromagnoid and nubian features)?
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Yeah well, I've read articles of authors suggesting them to be intermediate or admixed with Mongoloid or Negroid or Neanderthal. Erik Trinkaus recently suggested the Romanian cromagnon was a hybrid neanderthal-modern Man because of robust features while more precise studies shown it to be fully modern sapien. It has to to with "robust" traits and authors believing in admixture with the species during the heyday of humanity or that "Proto-Morphs" were closer to Negrids and Mongolids on ill notion they're older than Caucasoids or closer to the Ape-Men. I dont completely understand it myself. Its a crock of shit really used to push the "Out of Africa" or "Out of Asia" hypothesis'.
Edited by Crimson Guard, Dec 14 2009, 01:29 AM.
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