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| tally | Dec 8 2009, 07:43 AM Post #21 |
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Yeah. I rewatched the episode, it didn't look anything alike. It looked like one of those rings where you put on like 4 of them and it looks like one multi-banded. Ah, christmas? More like the episode i'm going to be analyzing while i fail my calc final >.> |
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| Holly Merriday | Dec 9 2009, 01:01 AM Post #22 |
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And why would Elizabeth be wearing a men's ring anyway? I think what Peter is trying to do is get whoever taught Neal (& by extension Kate) how to do what they did. I think that's the Mentor. Peter may have to go underground to do that in some way. If you listen to the tone Peter uses with Kate, it's really no different than the one he uses when he sternly lectures Neal. And something bothers me about how Neal & Kate talk to each other. They are remarkably chaste for a young couple supposedly in love. I know I've said it before, but all Kate said on the overpass in The Portrait was "I want to come home." Not 'I want to be with you'. Not 'I can't wait to kiss you again'. Not (in Kate's case) I want to 'rip off that shirt and see your beautiful abs again' *ahem*) The other possiblility I've been playing with is the classic star crossed lovers theory. Maybe Kate came from money and gave up everything to be with Neal. What if Neal felt guilty about how Kate had to live to be with him? The only symbol of their young love a fancy bottle they keep refilling with the cheap stuff. Hopefully, in the second half of the season, they will get deeper into the backstory. Why Neal is who he is and why he did what he did. That's why I think "Operation Mentor" is going after Neal & Kate's boss. And that impostor theory, someone who looks like Peter, but isn't Peter, is starting to look really really good to me. Also, what really gets me wondering is just how old Neal Caffrey is supposed to be (he played four or five years younger as Bryce on Chuck) |
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| tally | Dec 9 2009, 10:46 AM Post #23 |
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I just realised something too. Some people have guessed that Kate & Elizabeth might be related, but isn't that a conflict of interest? Wouldn't Burke be taken off the case, since he is trying to catch the love of his wife's sister? |
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| Holly Merriday | Dec 10 2009, 02:46 AM Post #24 |
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That may be why Peter has to go underground. Besides, it's already a conflict of interest because Peter is with Neal every day. I still say there's something suspicious about the fact that Neal, Elizabeth and Kate all have dark hair, fair skin & blue eyes. That CANNOT be just a coincidence, I'm sorry. There's also that part in Flip of the Coin where Elizabeth is talking to Neal and she uses this sing songy grade school teacher tone on him. Now, someone I've known only a few months uses that tone on me? I'd bristle a little bit because I'd feel patronized. In fact, I do, because where I work, there's a 22 year old who talks to me as if I'm 12 and I have a B.A. in English. (Just to clarify matters, I'm three months and five days Matt's senior.) Neal, on the other hand, doesn't even bat an eyelash! Still and all, too many people have commented on the resemblences (Elizabeth & Kate particularly) for them not to mean anything. |
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| tally | Dec 10 2009, 07:17 AM Post #25 |
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But what about the alleged first time Peter caught Neal? It's mentioned it took him three years to do that, with the FBI knowing everything about Neal. Wouldn't they have known if Neal/Elizabeth/Kate were somehow related, which would've thrown Peter off the case. Especially since in the 3 years chances are any of their relationships would've been seen. I do agree, Kate/Elizabeth especially look so much alike, but wouldn't it then just be a plot device |
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| Holly Merriday | Dec 11 2009, 12:09 AM Post #26 |
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Well, yeah. That's true. But there's something to that. Or they want us to think there's something to it. I think that's why I enjoy this show so much. There's so many layers! It's that pesky English degree of mine. Leads me to speculate and over think things. Of course, that's the fun part. Well, that and the beautiful blue eyes, and that mischevious grin. *Sigh* That part is fun too. |
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| Just_Jen | Dec 12 2009, 10:08 PM Post #27 |
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this was posted on the whitecollar_tv LJ community Question for TV Guide Magazine's "Ask Matt" Question: I've been enjoying White Collar all season, and my favorite aspect of the show is the dynamic between Peter and Neal. Watching their fun banter and their tenuous but growing friendship and trust in each other has been what's drawn me back week after week, and that's why the twist at the end of their mid-season finale really has me worried. Making Peter the villain in all of this who has been keeping Kate from Neal, all the while smiling and lying straight to Neal's face would absolutely ruin the current dynamic between the two of them. Please say that there's a twist to this twist, and that there'll be reason for me to keep rooting for Peter and Neal to become better friends.—Audrey Matt Roush: We’ll have to wait until the show returns Jan. 19 to find out just what this twist signifies, but I found the ending so out of character for Peter I can only think he’s running his own con of some sort—for Neal’s benefit somehow, not for villainous purposes. (But can we talk about that ridiculous pinky ring of evil he was sporting?) The quest-for-Kate subplot has always been my least favorite aspect of White Collar, so I’m hoping whatever Peter has been up to reveals more about her. One thing that has always puzzled me about the show is that Peter is supposed to be such a skilled FBI agent he has captured Neal twice, but in many episodes he seems to be a bumbling doofus compared to the all-knowing master thief in his custody. So maybe whatever’s behind this twist will elevate his stature a bit as an equal player in this game. And while Neal will no doubt react very badly to Peter’s secret dealings with Kate (whatever they are), I would think it’s way too soon for a show this young to subvert its entire premise and turn the leads against each other. (It would also be out of keeping with USA’s light-touch approach to so much of its programming.) On the other hand, if this helps add some dramatic complexity to their partnership, I’m all for that. |
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| Holly Merriday | Dec 13 2009, 11:45 PM Post #28 |
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I read that Matt Roush thing yesterday too. Very interesting. Didn't have a chance to post it here yesterday. (Busy with prep for what turned out to be the most awesome office holiday party of all time-although from what I understand, the casts of White Collar & Chuck had fun at theirs last night too.) I love Roush's line about "ridiculous pinky ring of evil." I want to like "Kate" (Alexandra Daddario) as much as I like "Sarah"/Yvonne Strahovski of Chuck & "Tru"/Eliza Dushku of Tru Calling, Matt's previous love interests, but that's difficult with what little we know about Kate compared to the female protagonists of Chuck & Tru Calling. Edited by Holly Merriday, Dec 13 2009, 11:53 PM.
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| tally | Dec 14 2009, 12:30 AM Post #29 |
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I think it'd be a good change to see Neal's love interests turn out evil (though that might just be wishful thinking, i'd rather take her evil then Peter). Both Sarah and Tru were trying to save the world (though Tru, one person at a time), and i'd love to see Neal's character have to deal with the love of his life turning out to be less then truthful. Peter's con better be for Neal's well being. They're so cute with their case solving chatter, it just wouldn't be the same. The show totally can't jump the shark so early on. |
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| Holly Merriday | Dec 16 2009, 12:52 AM Post #30 |
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As far as Peter is concerned, I think it's just the appearance of betrayal as a plot device. Remember what happened to Chuck? How Bryce framed him for cheating and got him expelled from Stanford? Remember why Bryce did it? (To protect Chuck as Bryce doubted Chuck could handle/survive CIA field work. For Chuck's own good.) It was also interesting that in the pilot, Peter asked Neal how many times he was going to "screw up his life" for Kate. Peter also warns Neal in the pilot: "You've got a good thing going here. Don't blow it." |
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