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MMA event photos.; Check them out.
Topic Started: Dec 18 2011, 01:48 PM (269 Views)
DafWales
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Think Im leaving the rig for a couple months as I'm dead set on the 5Dmkii spoken to quite a few people now who've used them and they've all said the same, the quality of film is superb for price tag and that's the area I want to get back into, so Im going to need all the spare cash I can get.
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Sir Kieran
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Of course the people that have bought one are going to tell you to get it. The video from one isn't actually that much better except at much higher ISOs, the 7/60/550/600D is still decent otherwise and also get's you 60fps at 720p for slow motion shit. Also doing video with a large sensored camera can actually be quite challenging, especially with faster lenses, and if you're wanting to do serious stuff you'll probably be looking at spending a few hundred on extra equipment like shoulder rigs, follow focus, mics, video tripod head, constant lighting, etc.

A 7D would also be more suited for still pictures for what you'll be taking photos of.
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DafWales
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Ive not just spoke to people who have just had or have got the 5dmkii the 7d is close competition but Im a big believer that (ignore the pun) you've got to click with your camera.

I chose my a200 because it felt right in my hands, ease of use, quick change settings etc.

I've been pointed towards the 7d for the best results in filming and action shots but I still also do alot of still's and the wide images on the 5D are great, plus when I've previously used the 5D I got on well with it.

I dont want to buy a camera which spec wise its amazing but I just dont get on with, for instance Nikon's I despise with a passion lol.

Im still not made up, I think the best bet is going to my local Photography shop and asking for demonstations I suppose. Its alot of money to throw into something I will get rid of if I dont like.
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Sir Kieran
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The 7D is still amazing for stills too, the 5DII has a slightly higher resolution and about 1 stop better ISO performance where as the 7D has much better AF, twice as fast a burst rate whilst also being able to store more images in its buffer, built in flash with wireless commander, the ability to use EF-S lenses, and a couple other little bits. The 5DII having a wider field of view doesn't really matter, for the extra money it costs over the 7D you could get a Sigma 10-20mm which you'd have to get the 17-40mm f/4 L to match on the 5DII (Which is then another 500 quid or so on top). As for how you'd get on with it, either way you're coming from a Sony so it'll take some getting used to, but there isn't much difference between them (one that I do know of is the 7D has a dedicated movie recording button).

Also if you feel you won't need the AF or faster shooting there's always the 60D which is still faster than the 5DII but a ton cheaper, or even a 550D which is equal in speed but even cheaper still. All that money saved can go towards better lenses.
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DafWales
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True and I know where your coming from, but the 550d is an amateur camera really regardless of features and apparent specs, ive got an amateur class camera already and wanted something way out of its league quality wise and something which alot of "pros" use which is the 5D atleast from all the events and professional photographers I've met are using, there must be a reason.
I will admit the 7d is very tempted and I may yet go for that as it is seeming the better buy money wise for the amount of features and specs.
Just Ive not seen many 7d's out and about and I'm mainly swaying towards the 5 because I've had experience using one and I was at ease with it.

Your point with saving money on the camera the having more for lenses is a really good point though, business wise... I'm still thinking personal use in my head :/ if I'm gonna get a handle on making this business work I should probably bring money into the equation more.
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Sir Kieran
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There are a few reasons why more people might have the 5DII, a lot of people falsely believe that a full frame body is automatically better and the upgrade path is also simpler as it's usually 5D > 5DII because they won't want to switch to crop, where as you have generally only have crop users upgrading to the 7D some of which end up going full frame. Also there are more alternatives to the 7D which I've already mentioned quite a few. Don't be fooled by the 550/600D either just because it's an entry level model, it has the exact same sensor as the 60D and 7D and is identical when it comes to image quality. It's a case of Canon taking a high end sensor and sticking it in a cheap body, if they did the same with the 5DII then it would be an interesting choice but then full frame will start to lose it's "pro only" appeal.
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You do have to admit full frame shots do look nice... There's just something about it that's appealing. Plus there's ways around better AF's and quicker shooting but like I've found out their not always under your control, for instance the lighting at the MMA events and places to shoot from.
You are talking sense and it would make my life alot easier with the types of shooting I tend to find myself working with.
Edited by DafWales, Jan 15 2012, 10:46 PM.
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Sir Kieran
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Honestly I notice very little difference between crop and full frame shots and would be hard pressed to tell them apart. Some of the ways I could do that is if the two photos were with the same lens due to the full frame photo having to be taken closer to keep the same framing and thus getting a different perspective, or if the two photos were at high ISOs on the same generation bodies where the full frame photo would generally have less noise. However give me and most other people two different photos (so not of the same subject) and chances are we couldn't tell the difference.

Take the following for example, I'd bet no one except those who took these photos would be able to tell which one is from a 7D and which is from a 5DII.

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