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Topic Started: May 16 2010, 04:49 PM (949 Views)
OCUKhellfire

If you pay attention to gaming news you would have heard that you can only play online if you have a new game. Or you will have to pay $10 or £10 I can't remember to unlock the multiplayer.
Genius second hand game money should go to the game devs as well.. I think they worked for it. Step in the right way
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Sir Kieran
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You're talking about PC games, right? because there is absolutely no way they could take away and then charge for online multiplayer on consoles. In fact they can't do it on PC either, there's no way to tell if a game is brand new or second hand. I think what you've heard is a load of bullshit tbh, what's your source?
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Slim
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Kieran
May 16 2010, 05:01 PM
You're talking about PC games, right? because there is absolutely no way they could take away and then charge for online multiplayer on consoles. In fact they can't do it on PC either, there's no way to tell if a game is brand new or second hand. I think what you've heard is a load of bullshit tbh, what's your source?
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plus they get enough money from DLC and the games them selves, plus the money they get from people payin for XBL.
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Sir Kieran
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Live money would go to Microsoft as they host the servers, a percentage of DLC costs probably goes to them as well. Technically speaking the developers (the actual people, not the company) don't get money from games sales, they get paid before the game even goes on sale by the company who rake in all the money from sales. It's just like the people that work in car manufacturing factories, they get paid by whoever owns the factory and then money from cars sales goes each individual garage and then to the manufacturer.

And OC, saying anyone other than the previous owner of the game should get money from the sale of second hand games is just stupid, the original owner has already forked out for it so it's their's, if they sell it they should get part of what they paid back, it's just like selling anything second hand. If I go and sell my computer should I have to give Acer part of the casi I make? No.
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Flippy

I think it does happen though, even on consoles. You get a serial key with your game, which is linked to your gamertag. So if you sell your game, the buyer needs to buy a new serial (not like in the PC game world where you essentially have to buy a new game, the new serial only costs a few bucks) to play online.

I think the same happens for Skate 3, but I'm not sure. I got a serial with that game too, and I needed to use it before I could upload footage or custom made parks. I'm not sure if I needed it to play online in the first place as I've only tried that after I entered the serial. But same thing goes... If I sell the game, the buyer needs to buy a new serial, because mine is linked to my gamertag so it's useless to him.

I think it's ridiculous. The only reason I buy second hand games is because they're cheap. A game that costs about 40€ in the stores will probably cost around 15€ second hand, or something, and probably only 30€ or something on online stores where it's usually cheaper.
So if I buy a second hand game for 15€, and then have to buy a serial for another 10€, I'm up to 25€ for a second hand game where I could have gotten a new game for 5€ more! Makes no sense.
Edited by Flippy, May 17 2010, 09:39 AM.
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Sir Kieran
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I do hope you're wrong Flippy, if that's the case I can imagine a lawsuit against EA happening very soon. They have absolutely no right to charge for the use of online play, that's why Microsoft does it.
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Flippy

Well I looked it up and in the case of Skate 3 you only need the code to share custom made parks. But I'm sure I've read about this for other games where they could use it for online play too.

Also, I don't see why they wouldn't have the right to charge people to play online. I'm glad that they don't do it, but I think they could if they wanted (besides the fact that probably nobody would pay)! Surely they have to keep servers up and stuff like that?

I also don't see how it's any different to PC games. If you buy a second hand PC game, and the seller doesn't give you his serial, then you can't play online, easy as that.
Edited by Flippy, May 17 2010, 01:10 PM.
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Sir Kieran
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However when you buy a second hand PC game you should get everything that comes with it at retail, if they don't include the serial then it's no different to buying Forza 3 without the second disc full of extra content.

Microsoft host the servers for online play, the devs don't have anything to do with that. The devs have the right not to include online play, but if anything on the box advertises the fact that the game does include it they have no right to charge for it unless it's explicitly stated that it's part of some DLC that you have to pay for. In that case it would cost original owners of the game as well as second hand buyers, and doing that would lose them a whole heap of customers. The only way I can see them getting around it is to include one of those little cards with the content on like you get with Forza which includes some extra cars.

So, it's feasibly possible for them to do it by claiming it's additional content, but by doing so they'll shoot themselves in the foot and lose a lot of customers. This is all assuming that online play is able to be incorporated via DLC, Microsoft may have something against it in there terms and conditions.
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Slim
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end of the day, if somebody sells a game to somebody else, or trades it in at Game or Gamestation (uk only i think) then they reliquish all rights to that game. including the riht to play it online, so to speak. they also get a small percentage back as kieran was saying, weather they trade it in, or sell it. therefore the econmics arent bein effected in any way, so i dont see why EA would charge, not to mention they techincally dont have a right to because we pay for our ISP why should we pay for servers aswell?
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OCUKhellfire

I think this should be done. EA leading the way.. The way they will do this is by making it use a code to access the multiplayer meaning that one code per console. Second hand market should die out since it slowly destroys publishers and so on since none of the money and sales go towards that said company.

Well done to EA I fully back them
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