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| themuntdregger | Sep 23 2013, 09:34 AM Post #1 |
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Gotta luv radu, expecting peeps to spend $50-100 dolla's on virtual items in one hit. My guess is that relatively few players weild that kind of burnable cash, so the number of transactions are likely to be on teh lowish side. From a pure business point of view, I guess it's more profitable (at least more convenient) to have fewer transactions of higher worth but, when you apply that approach to the business of running a mmorpg, it sucks mightily for the majority of your customers (aka players). If what you can buy gives you a massive in-game advantage, then your game is hardly going to balance around those who play for free. In fact it's not even going to balance around those that pay a little. In reality, your game is run for the few peeps who regularly spend $50-$100 dolla without blinking, and the rest are just their to provide them with ego stains and cannon fodder. Lots of good things about EL, but the shop aint one of them. Edited by themuntdregger, Sep 23 2013, 09:34 AM.
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| MiiX | Sep 23 2013, 12:11 PM Post #2 |
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EL is actually one of the rare games that doesn't offer huge advantages to people who use RL money in game. Have you ever tried those fucking grind-your-brain-out Asian MMOs? There you see what means "getting advantage" of paying RL money. Secondly getting couple of those daily reducing thingies isn't too bad imo. EL sucks in many ways, but the shop system is still one of the best ever seen in MMOs. Edit: In theory, with such a low playerbase etc. it's not working too well ($ -> gc rate when buying rostos and other shit is ridiculous nowadays). Edited by MiiX, Sep 23 2013, 12:13 PM.
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| SouLove | Sep 23 2013, 02:19 PM Post #3 |
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shop in el is shit, it has always been miix |
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| themuntdregger | Sep 23 2013, 08:08 PM Post #4 |
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Feck !!! I just got out-trolled by Miix (you finnish rockstar bastard). Edited by themuntdregger, Sep 23 2013, 08:09 PM.
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| MiiX | Sep 24 2013, 10:48 AM Post #5 |
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I didn't troll. You aren't forced to buy anything from the shop and using the shop system doesn't offer you any huge advantages. As I already said. Feel free to disagree with me. Edit: In many other games I've tried, you're practically forced to use the shop to enjoy the game. I quess most of you used shop only rarely or never and still played for years. Imo it's pretty good sign that the shop system is balanced pretty well. Edited by MiiX, Sep 24 2013, 10:50 AM.
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| SouLove | Sep 24 2013, 10:49 AM Post #6 |
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Not sure if troll or pure retardness. |
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| MiiX | Sep 24 2013, 10:53 AM Post #7 |
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I'm not going to argue with you about this, but it would be nice if you actually told your opinion WHY EL's shop system sucks so badly (especially compared to other free MMOs). Of course there are people who use tons of money on shop. If it wasn't there, they would just buy gc instead and still get the benefit. It's not that hard to understand. Anyway what I'm saying is that only the shop system is good. Radu's actions on making changes on behalf of massive $ users isn't. They are 2 completely different things. Edited by MiiX, Sep 24 2013, 10:59 AM.
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| themuntdregger | Sep 24 2013, 06:43 PM Post #8 |
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Yup agreed. Lets give credit where credit is due and say that the EL shop model is far better than supposedly f2p games where you have to buy stuff to unlock critical game content. However, EL shop model sucks when it comes to both the level of advantage you can purchase and the cost of doing so. The effect of this is to place a significant advantage within the hands of the very few wealthy players who can actually afford those high prices, something that actively disadvantages the vast majority of other players. It's a poor commercial model because hiking prices to the point where a virtual costs up to $90 probably means less profit than if you reduced the item to $10. It's a doubly poor model simply for selling 'advantage' rather than 'entertainment', when the former effectively destabilises a major underlying reason for playing the game in the first place. It's triply poor model for failing ignoring the alternative approaches demonstrated by competitors. Edited by themuntdregger, Sep 24 2013, 06:45 PM.
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| scarr | Sep 24 2013, 07:32 PM Post #9 |
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Lol, EL shop is for big faggots who only have buttsecks in eachothers butts every day long, also they are gay |
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| SouLove | Sep 24 2013, 08:01 PM Post #10 |
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The EL shop proposed a system where you had to spend quite a lot of money in order to gain advantages. Let's take the thermal serp for example, you had to spend 95$ but you had a major advantage in game; this of course is not valid anymore, as the new armors protect you against that pink weapon, although I think it quite good in PvE. Never the less, haidir passes (exp), stones and essences (armor and weapons), and now this new item that reduces the wait for dailies(exp again). All these mean, that if you have loads of $, you can get your char to grow very fast, as well as equip him with the best gear in game. One could say that this is possible already through black market trades. Yes, but those aren't good either. If we were to remove those, the shop would still provide more than enough unfair advantages to rich people. This shop is the worst, as it gives clear advantages to those who spend a lot (look at lucix and mufossa), and nearly no advantage to those who spend just a bit. It is one of the worst shops that I have witnessed, especially since radu didn't just sell the stuff listed on the official site. I reckon he sold nexus removals, meaning people could practically buy PPs with $. Edited by SouLove, Sep 24 2013, 08:04 PM.
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| scarr | Sep 24 2013, 08:25 PM Post #11 |
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ingame shops are cancerous |
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| MiiX | Sep 25 2013, 10:54 AM Post #12 |
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I partially disagree with high costs, earlier it was pretty easy to find someone buy items from shop with $ and pay them with gc. When gc rate was sensible, it didn't take too much work to gain those benefits even without spending RL money. Today's rates are so ridiculous that it's not worth to do any gc -> $ trading for shop items. Most free games have account binding shop items, so you can get them only by buying them with real money. Even they cost much less than in EL, they offer much higher benefit than practically any item in EL (huge exp boosts, armor boosts, faster movement etc. etc.). I agree that EL is going same way by announcing Haidir passes, daily reducement thingies etc., but it's not close that bad as in many other MMOs where you practically can't do shit without paying. I don't see what's the problem with "black market" buying from shop, since it's allowed and it used to be pretty cheap way to get shop items with $. Secondly I'd say Luci and Mufo have gained most of their advantage from buying gc, not shop items. Also radu never sold nex removals, only attribute removals from shop. Edited by MiiX, Sep 25 2013, 10:59 AM.
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| SouLove | Sep 25 2013, 04:07 PM Post #13 |
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Black market was fine when people with no $ wanted to get an esthetic change, such as a p2p character or a size/looks change. But now, when people who just joined the game 3 days ago can just go around buying a top character as well as the gold/items to suit it, it really sucks. But then again, that's not the only thing that sucks about EL; too bad, it once had tremendous potential, and was really fun to play for a while. |
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| MiiX | Sep 25 2013, 04:33 PM Post #14 |
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That has nothing to do with official shop. I was talking about paying gc to someone that buys shop items for you with $. I see nothing wrong with that and it used to be pretty cheap way to get them earlier. Edit: But yeah, the black market you mentioned, sucks hard. Edited by MiiX, Sep 25 2013, 04:34 PM.
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| SouLove | Sep 25 2013, 05:10 PM Post #15 |
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I am OK with a game shop as long as it only offers aesthetic things, that don't give any real advantages to one another. Sure, the EL shop might not seem so bad, but as I mentioned earlier the weapons that are being sold there used to be quite an advantage. Also, the fact that they sell essences and binding stones means people can mass produce weapons and armor - just look at how the market is flooded with these. Now, they are basically selling experience, which, in a game where there's no real cap, is a bad thing. I would be OK with experience boosters in a game (+xx% exp for xx hours) as long as that game had a reachable cap. I understand that the game developers need to make money as well. If only they weren't as greedy and only offered aesthetic stuff... |
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| MiiX | Sep 25 2013, 05:23 PM Post #16 |
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Aesthetic stuff usually doesn't sell enough to provide high enough income for designer(s). What comes to flooding armors and weapons in game, imo it's better that everyone is able to get theirs easily instead of having to grind down million mobs. Too bad inflation has raised the prices to ridiculous spheres also in equipped items. I repeat myself, but it was pretty easy to get any of those weapons sold in shop by paying only gc if you just had some patience. I agree they were OP, but therm serp was basically the only shop item that was ridiculously powerful compared to normal game weapons. I don't see that as a big problem compared to items sold in those grind your brains out Asian MMOs. Imo EL's shop is basically donating for the game and getting some benefit, most free games force you to pay to enjoy the game. That's the huge difference. As I said earlier, all of you have played EL for years and I quess rarely used money on shop? Have you ever played any other free MMO for more than couple months? I quess not and if you did, most propably you used shitload of money to get those items that made the game playable. Edit: Anyway the main reason for armors being flooded in game is the low player base. Everyone has everything, NMT makes break rate low and no new players. It's not an ideal situation for business. Edited by MiiX, Sep 25 2013, 05:30 PM.
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| scarr | Sep 26 2013, 08:19 AM Post #17 |
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problem is people like Luciferx, they just buy evrything with $ and have the strongest unbeatable character you can only beat them by playing for 10years non stop have fun with that |
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| themuntdregger | Sep 26 2013, 10:18 AM Post #18 |
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The importance of aesthetics is likely to depend on the extent to which a game supports aesthetic content. No reason why human players won't buy aesthetic items for exactly the same reason as they do irl,ie fashion, status, investment, gifts, personal enjoyment. It's all down to how well a game facilitates those objectives. However, aethestics are just one potential solution to the issue. There are others. |
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| MiiX | Sep 26 2013, 11:11 AM Post #19 |
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Yes I agree, but as I said Luci has bought most of his "power" from black market. Meaning gc and char with $ without using official shop. Yeah I agree with this, of course it would be much nicer if there was just items that affect only aesthetic things but it would demand much more players and huge game changes. I don't know any free game that would run only by selling such items. Edited by MiiX, Sep 26 2013, 11:13 AM.
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| scarr | Sep 26 2013, 05:26 PM Post #20 |
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if luci didnt bought from black market, he would bought from radu and radu is a fking sell out, he promised he would never sell stats.. but he kinda does with hydrobars lol |
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