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Helms and Crowns; Those stuff you wear on your head...
Topic Started: Jun 9 2008, 11:22 AM (607 Views)
St_Arcane
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There has been alot of talk in the past about helms being useless since CoL's are so much better. And since Radu doesn't want to make the helms give more health, how about crowns give less HP/mana?

I know that sounds like a stupid idea, but perhaps if we let him deduct some health/mana from the crowns, he will add some health/mana to the helms. I was thinking along the line of this:

Crown of Life: +100 health, no armour/resistance

Crown of Mana: +120 mana, no armour/resistance

Black dragon helm: +60 health and +60 mana (other stats stay same, +4 armour, +2 heat protection, +1 radiation and magic protection, +2 magic resistence)

Red Dragon Helm: +60 health and +50 mana (+4 armour, +2 heat protection, +1 radiation and magic protection, +1 magic resistance)

Titanium Helm: +50 health and +20 mana (+3 Armour, +1 Radiation Protection, +1 Cold, heat and magic protection)

Bronze Helm: +40 health and +30 mana (+3 armour, +3 magic resistence)

Steel Helm: +40 health and +20 mana (+3 armour, +1 radiation protection)

Iron Helm: +20 health (+2 armor, -1 cold and heat protection)

Leather Helm: +10 health (+1 armour, +1 cold protection)

Couldn't find the stats for Titanium Helm of Life on EL-Cel (although I think it is +50 health), so I improvised: +80 health, +20 mana (+3 Armour, +1 Radiation Protection, +1 Cold, heat and magic protection)

As for the Steel Helm of Mana, just add the extra health: +40 health, +100 mana (+3 armor, +1 radiation protection)

This way, I think Helms will be more usefull than crowns in PK, but the crowns should still be better for training/harving/shrooms/etc.

Let me know what you think. :)
Edited by St_Arcane, Jun 9 2008, 11:32 AM.
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I have absolutely nothing constructive to say here, but it would be cool if I could wear my precious leet 300-style tit helm when fighting. :D With MoL on that would be 250 hp which is more or less enough.
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Without full restore, it's alot harder to use COL and restore hp, I don't mind his suggestion personally, and would make spawns/n00b spawn campers be on them less so I could get some fucking exp. :D
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Wizzy

I really like this idea. Helms should be more usefull other then for leather things to sell to Trik and iron helms for trainning. Perhaps this should be copied to main forum?

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Been suggested plenty times on offical forum.

Everyone agrees with it.

Nothing is changed.

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Jun 9 2008, 02:30 PM
I really like this idea. Helms should be more usefull other then for leather things to sell to Trik and iron helms for trainning. Perhaps this should be copied to main forum?

Feel free to copy it over, if I wasn't banned from the official forums I'd have posted it there instead.

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Been suggested plenty times on offical forum.

Everyone agrees with it.

Nothing is changed.

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Indeed. But he has complained about the high health of a CoL before, so maybe if we let him decrease it, he might improve the helms.
Edited by St_Arcane, Jun 9 2008, 05:04 PM.
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Wizzy

I tend to agree, yes I know it has been mentioned on forums before, but never quiet in this way.
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LevinMage

Not sure if Entropy would go for having all helms give health, but I like the suggestion of decreasing benefits of COL/COM and what you have for the red/black dragon helm since I can see them having magic powers.
Instead of giving the titanium/bronze helm/steel helm health/mana benefits, give them improved magic/heat/cold/radiation protection which would do well in pk against magic weapons.
Edited by LevinMage, Jun 10 2008, 03:33 AM.
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Tirun

Only one problem with this idea that I can see. Radu would never let extra stuff be added to the current helms without changing their formulas. If someone copies this over to the EL forum they will have to add that each of the helms would have to have 2-3 ELEs as ings and the ones that give mana would be an EME added. Not going to happen any other way IMO.

Avoiding walls and radon completely in full steel, including the helmet, just seems pretty sad when you think about helms and how important they are supposed to be. Protecting your head should be at least a tiny bit important in game. :)

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Jun 10 2008, 01:40 AM
Only one problem with this idea that I can see. Radu would never let extra stuff be added to the current helms without changing their formulas. If someone copies this over to the EL forum they will have to add that each of the helms would have to have 2-3 ELEs as ings and the ones that give mana would be an EME added. Not going to happen any other way IMO.
Yes, the formula will have to be changed and its worth mentioning I suppose, but if radu feels like implementing it, rather let him figure that out. We don't know what he wants in/out of the game or how much he thinks extra health/mana are worth.
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Jun 10 2008, 05:11 AM
We don't know what he wants in/out of the game or how much he thinks extra health/mana are worth.
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Tirun

If a CoL gave 100 health then anything that gave 50 would need 3 ELEs because if Radu changes the CoL to only be 100 health he is still going to make it take 6 ELEs. The additional mana stuff will require 1 EME since the CoM takes 2 of them. It is pretty easy to see the ing trade off.

If you don't suggest a formula that is fair like the above though Radu is going to present one that isn't fair as his first choice. Fair for him means it costs more than it should and he is not worried about fair for us. lol
We already have an idea of what he thinks extra mana and life are worth because we already have items that give us that stuff and we know the ings for them.

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Whatever, still won't change anything. If you want him to add something to the game he has denied so many times before, making demands on how much it should take to create it will not have the desired effect. I don't care if he makes it 10 ELE/6EME extra per 50 health/mana, I just want it implemented.
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Tirun

Actually you could be right. He could say that helms are less conducive to enchantment which is why crowns are used. Then he could double the requirements for making helms as compared to the crowns. As you pointed out however we would still have them. Not sure how to get them in game though. Obviously Radu likes the trade off between crowns and helms.

Go wild with killer high price formulas to make him more inclined to give us the helms. If he has said no to them over and over then things have to change to get a yes. Suggest leaving the formulas the same for the crowns with their reduced effectiveness and make the helm formulas twice as hard to make as the crowns. Anyone have a better idea to avoid getting the same result as before every time. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. :) ~ Albert Einstein

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Edited by Tirun, Jun 11 2008, 09:11 PM.
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