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Was banned can someone do me a last favour?; Thanks
Topic Started: Jun 2 2008, 11:16 PM (1,714 Views)
Aislar
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Korrode
Jun 4 2008, 05:50 PM
btw, when i saw Placid's replies i knew the thread would eventually be deleted, so i actually saved the html :P

I have up to SinS' post on page 3, i think there was some back and forth between Placid and Conavar after that... for anyone who missed it all, here's the bulk of it:
http://www.paradoxcomputers.com.au/stuff/abuse/
ohhhh korrode FTW!!!!!!!!!


and con <3
(he called me m'lady yesterday!) <3
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Ryosuke

Placid said it, how it is.
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Sins post was the last bar one, some ex-player called Algorn or something , came on and did a hate field rant at Radu, I think thats what got the post locked and deleted
Edited by Conavar, Jun 4 2008, 06:03 PM.
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Im both with Conavar and Placid a bit. :P

Calling someone a pig on forums is no biggy for me lol. If you can handle the responses yourself of course.

Forumbanning someone for abusing the creator of the game, no biggy neither lol.


Gamebanning someone cause he didnt think its right to call someone a pig (which it isnt) is retarded ! imo. And just selfpunishing ;s.

Edited by Mango, Jun 4 2008, 06:11 PM.
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Smith, W

READ ME PLX PLX!

I don't think it's purely down to being called a pig in this instance though. There have been many, many times (admittedly, they are usually few and far between however) Entropy has flamed someone for posting in an 'opinion' thread, and we've all been on that receiving end at one point or another (*Points to Korrode*), and it is kinda unfair the flamee has to be reasonable and either respond calmly, or pull out completely. I think Ent's a good guy, but I also think he needs to re-examine his manners and conduct if he ever wants Eternal Lands to become big.

I certainly do, I love the game, and even though it isn't comparable to flashy FPSers, I think it's an ingenious and tireless effort, and Entropy's been at the forefront of that. He should really be proud of himself for actually having determination to get this far, after the alpha stage I probably wouldn't have lasted a week, I absolutely cannot stand it when people sordidly point out errors.

That being said, I think one of Ent's biggest problem is his attitude. In fact, I think a few of the Moderators reflect this attitude. If it's not condescending and demeaning it's insulting. I'm not claiming to be an expert on business practice, I study Administration, but aside from that I've no more knowledge on how-to run a business enterprise than your next John Smith, however it is common knowledge people don't get far by having a negative PR. Swearing at your players, at people who are making suggestions or stating their opinions, is downright and utterly wrong; and a good way to run your enterprise into the ground. It would be so much better if the people had a little more patience over there. I agree with Korrode, it's ironic Ent's actually doing the complete opposite of one of the thing's he's been trying to do since the game launched, draw in more players.

Finally... I can see both sides of the argument here, but right now I'm leaning toward Ent's favour: it must be stressful running a MMORPG like this, even though that isn't an excuse for rudeness, nobody appears to be taking this into account however, if he simply cleaned up his language/attitude a bit more, we'd probably all see he's a fairly benevolent deity ;P


Edit: Whoops, long post :Z better add some tags...
Edited by Smith, W, Jun 4 2008, 07:36 PM.
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Conavar
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Nice post Akadesh :D

Respect tbh though works both ways

( this is in general and not about Quesars post)

Someplayers want to be able to have there "freedom of speech" and say pretty much what they god damn like without any comeback. They want to rant and rave and swear like hell but as soon as the tables are turned its "omg god, you cant say that to me"

People have said its bad practice for a CEO of a company to swear etc and yes it is, but its also bad practice to visit his company, piss on his carpet and say his buisness sucks and not expect any comebacks, or to plead martyrdom when he tells you to fook off


Like I said respect works both ways... from Radu to the players but also from the players to Radu. you cant expect one without the other
Edited by Conavar, Jun 4 2008, 08:25 PM.
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Smith, W

Interesting, I can see your point. It is definitely not polite (as I said) to come and 'drag your dick' (coining an expression from Ent gleefully :D ) over someone else's business. I'd imagine the guy, and his moderators, take a lot of rap for all their hard work. We all pretty much know how spirit-destroying it can be to have your work criticized repeatedly.

However, Entropy said he wanted thoughts. It's obvious he did, and that means he doesn't want to be an allround-dickhead he sometimes comes off as, I appreciate that (I'm just counting our blessings here, if he was so ebul he'd just post these things in Game Updates and be done with it...). But if you're going to open yourself up to opinion, you're going to have to be prepared for some critique. Honestly I don't mind it when he flames someone for actually ranting at him, although it's still kinda bad practice, but when innocent (the cynic would say ignorant, his/her choice of words, not mine) people who don't have any malicious intent and only want to help get abused, you know you've got a problem.

And Ent's in the unfortunate position where players come and go. They can afford to be rude, and that's what the Edit and Delete tools are for ;) , whereas he (if he wants to make EL bigger) cannot.

(Sorry about slow reply.... texting someone, and my caps key just fell off :( )


Edited by Smith, W, Jun 4 2008, 08:32 PM.
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Jun 4 2008, 08:31 PM

But if you're going to open yourself up to opinion, you're going to have to be prepared for some critique.


100% agree, but there are polite tactful ways to do it and still get your point across.
Just I really dislike players wanting one rule for teh boss and another for themselves


( and I know the drag your dick comment was aimed at korrode but fuck I laughed ) :P
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Jun 4 2008, 08:37 PM
100% agree, but there are polite tactful ways to do it and still get your point across.
Just I really dislike players wanting one rule for teh boss and another for themselves


( and I know the drag your dick comment was aimed at korrode but fuck I laughed ) :P
Yeah but some of those ways still risk random flaming... I know a few times where I've attempted to be polite and helpful, and Ent's randomly lost the plot at me....

There was that other week in Channel Four too... I honestly couldn't figure out how to test the new PRC (I had an exam that day, was tired...) and Ent called me a n00b for not knowing how to.

Fair does and all, but I tried to respond in a at least partially funny way, "not everyone studied programming you know :P" and he lost the rag with me. I actually got help from another player, who incidentally was also pissed off with Ent for similar reasons, to help me. Surely I should be able to get help from the Admin, and not need to rely on other, quicker-witted people than I? :P

(I know, he has his moments :wub: )

PS: I love these Scottish expressions for when someone gets angry... if you're not in the UK you might not be able to understand me... Korrode might, as Aussie is somewhat comparable to Scottish these days ;)
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Oh i get it, and Ent was (mostly) right that it is what i was doing... which is why i didn't complain about it. (plus the whole not wanting to get banned thing :P)

I wasn't dragging my dick over his whole combat system, but i was dragging it over his f.chim and m.chim stats. I stand by all i said.
I would never claim to generally know better then Ent on what's best for EL, but on the f/m.chim stats and respawn, it seems i do... in my mathematically correct, well thought through opinion. :P

And plz no one even dare mention the whole invasion tokens for stats change thing, putting such decisions in the hands of whatever random players happen to end up with tokens is... well... lacking foresight at best.
Edited by Korrode, Jun 5 2008, 01:50 AM.
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Dannus

Sent him a gossip message from alt where I explained why I wrote what I did, and also said I will only continue if I get both game and forum unlock now.

Seems like we can't agree cause I am still banned so I say bye to you guys!;)
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