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Mages; do you hate 'em too?
Topic Started: May 21 2008, 08:56 PM (2,463 Views)
Aislar
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how about we just don't fucking break mi?

ftw :P
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imfo I thought it was supposed to be a classless game, as in there isn't really any specialty like fighter, or mage, or cleric etc... and that's also one of the reasons I like it. Your not stuck doing one thing or the other with each char, you can do everything. By talking of "mage class" all your doing is ruining that uniqueness that no other game I've found has. Don't make suggestions like, make it so you need so many nexus to play with magic that no fighter could afford to do it... Stop trying to turn it into a class based game, that's not what it is, by design.
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Jun 7 2008, 01:14 AM
how about we just don't fucking break mi?

ftw :P
Great idea. How were you planning on getting Radu to change his mind and simply not do something he has already decided needs to be done? If I had a suggestion for that I would have already made it. It is a little to late to be suggesting closing the barn door. Check out my suggestion thread. He might not make MI breakable if he is busy making the change to the magic system.

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I have an idea. How about we sacrifice Tirun on a funeral-pyre to Radu, and hope he doesn't change anything?
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Jun 7 2008, 01:59 AM
imfo I thought it was supposed to be a classless game, as in there isn't really any specialty like fighter, or mage, or cleric etc... and that's also one of the reasons I like it. Your not stuck doing one thing or the other with each char, you can do everything. By talking of "mage class" all your doing is ruining that uniqueness that no other game I've found has. Don't make suggestions like, make it so you need so many nexus to play with magic that no fighter could afford to do it... Stop trying to turn it into a class based game, that's not what it is, by design.
We already have fighters, manuers, harvesters, craftters, potioners, summoners, engineers, etc... but no one is stuck doing these things. People just choose to do one thing and not everything. There isn't a minimum number of pick points put into anything that officially qualifies anyone as being this or that. I have 48/48 phys/coord but I am using as a harvesting tool. Everything else but will is 4 so not exactly a great build for fighting. The negative perks I took to get the pick points also make PKing a bad idea even if my 60s a/d didn't do that well enough already.

Making it so that you would have to max out 5 attributes to be a fighter as well as a mage plus your human nexus does stop anyone from trying to do it. It just means you need to get to 140 OA then find 80 more pick points through perks and buying nexus to get the attributes and then 7 more nexus and you have your human nexus too. If you don't make anything on your own then who have a character who can be a mage and fighter.

You already cannot possibly be an all arounder who does everything without facing the same kind of math. There are too many nexus required to make everything plus have the attributes needed to be a top PKer too. Choices already have to be made. This idea just gives us one more choice available to be made. That isn't any different than it is now.

My idea has nothing to do with nexus because you would need a stupid amount of nexus to do anything as a mage to keep fighters from just buying the nexus in the first place. Using the attributes as I suggested makes it fit in with the rest of the game since it is already designed to stop you from doing everything at the highest levels. It already takes over 40 nexus to max them out and be able to do everything. Add that to your PK build and I think you will find that you are a little short on pick points to compete with the top PKers. I saw attributes for Mango who used 168 pick points without nexus and he had a 4 instinct so not exactly the best summoner in the game is he? Now if you add 40 points for nexus and another 44 to max out instinct and be an awesome summoner what do you get? 184 pick points needed but of course another attribute was only 16 and it is used for a cross attribute that goes to a skill too. That means another 30 points again and that brings your total up to 214 pick points.

All of that just to show that you cannot be everything in game at the top level as it is right now. My suggestion does not change this and it doesn't add any nexus requirement. The game is designed so that you have to pick and choose what you do and that makes it a game with 'classes' already. 48 charm for summoning, all of the nexus for making stuff, 48 perception for ranging, and then add everything else you need to be a top PKer and don't forget needing rationality to heal. If you want a truly classless game then get the Elder Scrolls products made into an MMORPG or convince Entropy to make it easier to do everything in game all at once. Good luck to you on both of those.

Your argument is completely invalid until you can show me how to do everything with the limited amount of pick points available and my idea has no extra nexus required. I can only guess you were referring to my idea since you didn't quote anyone.

Tirun

As always I check on the stuff I post and I just found this: http://mmorpg.qj.net/Pete-Hines-makes-Elder-Scrolls-MMORPG-official/pg/49/aid/107199
Truly classless game if they stick to their current formula. Good luck with your character once it starts up. :)
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Jun 7 2008, 07:24 AM
I have an idea. How about we sacrifice Tirun on a funeral-pyre to Radu, and hope he doesn't change anything?
Seeing as how I help Radu get things he wants into the game every once in a while instead of always going against him your idea is flawed. If you are talking about my character then I would vote yes to sacrificing it, as long as I could get his stuff off of him first, if it meant Radu would not put in the MI breaking wards. That is just a bad idea. Radu not changing anything at all is just fucking stupid of course. He is going to continue making the game more complex and making it require more strategy until it gets out of beta.

I think sacrificing you makes much more sense as there are far too many self-declared 'saints' in EL already. :PP

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Jun 7 2008, 07:52 AM
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Jun 7 2008, 07:24 AM
I have an idea. How about we sacrifice Tirun on a funeral-pyre to Radu, and hope he doesn't change anything?
Seeing as how I help Radu get things he wants into the game every once in a while instead of always going against him your idea is flawed. If you are talking about my character then I would vote yes to sacrificing it, as long as I could get his stuff off of him first, if it meant Radu would not put in the MI breaking wards. That is just a bad idea. Radu not changing anything at all is just fucking stupid of course. He is going to continue making the game more complex and making it require more strategy until it gets out of beta.

I think sacrificing you makes much more sense as there are far too many self-declared 'saints' in EL already. :PP

Tirun
Well aren't we full of ourselves lately? And look, he even said a naughty word. Bad Tirun!

And I've said it before, and I will say it again: I AM THE ONLY TRUE SAINT IN THIS GAME, ALL THE OTHERS ARE WANNABE'S!!!

Plus, I am pr0 and you are a nub, its easier to catch you and throw you onto the fire.
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Jun 7 2008, 07:24 AM
I have an idea. How about we sacrifice Tirun on a funeral-pyre to Radu, and hope he doesn't change anything?
Seeing as how I help Radu get things he wants into the game every once in a while instead of always going against him your idea is flawed. If you are talking about my character then I would vote yes to sacrificing it, as long as I could get his stuff off of him first, if it meant Radu would not put in the MI breaking wards. That is just a bad idea. Radu not changing anything at all is just fucking stupid of course. He is going to continue making the game more complex and making it require more strategy until it gets out of beta.

I think sacrificing you makes much more sense as there are far too many self-declared 'saints' in EL already. :PP

Tirun
Well aren't we full of ourselves lately? And look, he even said a naughty word. Bad Tirun!

And I've said it before, and I will say it again: I AM THE ONLY TRUE SAINT IN THIS GAME, ALL THE OTHERS ARE WANNABE'S!!!

Plus, I am pr0 and you are a nub, its easier to catch you and throw you onto the fire.
Last off topic reply since I don't want to high jack the thread. I am not full of myself because it is obvious that I don't win even half of the fights with Entropy let alone the other players.

I will on occasion use a bad word here and there since this is the unofficial forum but don't plan on getting used to it. I am even considering editing it now that you pointed it out. lmao Using curse words usually means you just don't have enough brains to think of something to say that actually makes a difference.

In PK you are 1000 times pr0er than I am but there a LOT of PKers more pr0 than joo. That makes you just as expendable as I am. :PP If throwing both our characters onto that pyre would keep Entropy from bringing the MI wards would you do it too?

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Jun 7 2008, 08:23 AM
I don't want to high jack the thread
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of course you don't...
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Jun 7 2008, 08:37 AM
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Jun 7 2008, 08:23 AM
I don't want to high jack the thread
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of course you don't...
oops. What I meant to say is that I did not want to hijack the thread with off topic nonsense. Hijacking it to help avoid getting MI breaking wards in game is what I am trying to do. :) We did get Entropy to change old school PK from RoT to TD even after it was in game. We do have a shot at never seeing MI breaking wards if people will just make an effort to find a better alternative.

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If he makes it so MI can be broken, I will quit. Fuck training a/d to just get butt fucked by a mage, lame shit tbh.
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Jun 7 2008, 10:34 AM
If he makes it so MI can be broken, I will quit. Fuck training a/d to just get butt fucked by a mage, lame shit tbh.
In another thread we have both readily admitted we do not like each other at all Chosen. Seeing you quit would make my day actually. Even though that is true I am still posting to tell you to stop bitching and try to change it.

It is better for EL if the MI breaking wards do not come into the game. There are alternatives. Having to have high rationality and etherality both to break MI would make it close to impossible for anyone to do. If you guys would just start trying to make a difference instead of threatening to quit maybe we could get somewhere.

I already pointed out that we do have the power to get things changed even after they come in game. Old school PK being changed from RoT to TD is a perfect example. Stand up and make a difference please even if it does keep you in game and on the forums. :)

Tirun

PS If the mage has to work harder to break MI than you had to get your levels then the mage put in the work and deserves to be able to do it. If it is just a chance to do it then that is even better for you. The mage has to work harder than you for only a chance for it to work. Isn't that better than quitting?
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http://www.explosm.net/comics/167/
tirun, i have just glanced over 2 threads and i see your name + essays everyewhere..you just ruined unnoficial forums for me. way too much scrolling for my middle finger!

*awaits essay which i wont read \o/*

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I have an idea. How about we sacrifice Tirun on a funeral-pyre to Radu, and hope he doesn't change anything?


ill bring the lighter fluid :>
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Jun 7 2008, 11:53 AM
tirun, i have just glanced over 2 threads and i see your name + essays everyewhere..you just ruined unnoficial forums for me. way too much scrolling for my middle finger!

*awaits essay which i wont read \o/*

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I have an idea. How about we sacrifice Tirun on a funeral-pyre to Radu, and hope he doesn't change anything?


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omg that's what i pmed to con and liq <3

it's not TIRUN, it's all the....words.... :P
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omg that's what i pmed to con and liq <3


great minds think alike an all that eh? :>
My sympathy is Ltd (Pty).
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Noob, scroll with your index finger!
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You can also click the middle button or wheel and drag. ;) Short enough for you? lol

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Jun 7 2008, 08:06 PM
Short enough for you? lol

Tirun
but....who wants it 'short'?

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Jun 7 2008, 09:35 PM
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Jun 7 2008, 08:06 PM
Short enough for you? lol

Tirun
but....who wants it 'short'?

:P
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Apparently everyone who isn't a very, very naughty girl. ;)

Seriously though, why can't we work up an idea that Entropy will accept that eliminates the MI breaking wards? I just posted on the MI thread in the EL forum. The spell being around level 80 and success based on high rationality and high etherality as well as being matched against the targets magic level. I was suggesting at least 30 rationality and 30 etherality to give any chance of breaking someone's MI.

Only people who worked massively hard to get make a power mage would have a chance of breaking MI which is as it should be. Then you would have those players to worry about but it would be even fewer people than the currently high level fighters who can PK most people almost instantly whether they have MI up or not.

Tirun

If we don't suggest something then we get MI breaking wards and I have yet to see anyone getting excited in a positive way about those.
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Why not just get rid of MI, cause with it magic is useless as an offensive skill.

Lets make magic resistance lvl and attribute dependend i wouldn't know any formula for it but reading at some places "break MI at mag lvl 80" is really rediculoes.

I train an alt to be a mage, he is #160 at the rangkings atm and is just over lvl 60 now. trying to guess howmany ppl have mag 80+ is nearly impossible but looking at the rankings i don't think there are more than 20 of them.

and don't forget, it works both ways !! w/o MI you also can MD !!
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