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Leaving EL; alot of people are ........
Topic Started: Jun 4 2009, 06:33 PM (3,138 Views)
Sonic
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and the annoying Brazilians who are EVERYWHERE ^^
Edited by Sonic, Jun 13 2009, 09:46 PM.
My sympathy is Ltd (Pty).
Just for tonight, forget what is right.

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Frost
Jun 13 2009, 09:45 PM
and the annoying Brazilians who are EVERYWHERE ^^
u think i r annoying? :p
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Norm
Jun 14 2009, 07:22 PM
Brazil has the gayest looking money
thats true
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Cruella
Jun 8 2009, 08:32 AM
In any mmorpg an important thing is proportion between effort and entertainment (work vs play). Mini harvest events were the last but not least reason that caused me to stop playing EL. Even with later changes (rate reduction, medallion etc) they were too much to handle for me. There is a threshold of grinding one can accept and unfortunately I have reached mine.

The biggest sin of recent EL times is a philosophy of fixing issues by making things harder - either by limiting resources, increasing time required to accomplish tasks or introducing money sinks that initially look good but in reality have negative impact on a skill (e.g. AP ranging potions) or are not balanced in a way that encourage players enough to use them frequently (speed hax pots and horses to name a few).

Unfortunately everything can be explained and justified with that neverending beta-stage argument, but as a player I cannot endlessly buy that. I'm really sorry to see so many cool ideas that WOULD work IF ONLY slightly tweaked went to the drain. Some activities lost its purpose - at least for me - (leo hunt for instance was both fun, sort of competition AND profit, now its skin is useless again, so HOURS spent chasing him no longer are worth it).

To sum up - I have moved to the game that is more entertaining and rewarding (better time spent/fun ratio). I still hope though EL will change in favor of players so I keep my account for now.

One more thing - for the people like the ones who post here, what Hardcore says above could have been sufficient ("items could require less ingreds to make and more spawns could be added and mini-events could be removed") to bring them back to EL. However, in order to accomodate and retain more new players, substantial changes are required to make levelling up to let's say 30-50 (depending on skill) way easier, whether we like it or not. This becomes obvious when you try any other game around - EL loses at the start, other games are simply faster paced, more entertaining and more rewarding, the progress is way faster and usually at each level there are activities specific for this level that make character development more interesting and less monotonous.

EL needs to make a choice - either to adjust and make things easier and more entertaining for new players or to stay a small niche game for OCD grinders - in a current form it is perfect though for those who feel compelled to voluntarily perform irrational, time-consuming physical behaviors to diminish their anxiety rofl ;-)
Yeah, what Cru said.

All that made me leave, but ultimately Radu's appalling lack of social skills and shitty attitude towards his customers that made me leave. I'd rather pay $15/month to Blizzard than give my money to that guy.
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its so long ago i forgot when, but thats stuff i've been trying to say for a few years
just about the work vs fun thing though, EL focuses JUST on hard work, the 'fun' is mostly shit cause fun isnt good, tweaking things a bit to make it atleast worth the effort is blashpemy.

anyway, i found out that if you make constructive topics, or contructive pm's to him hes reasonable.
and together you stand more chance, so get together w/ ppl and discuss stuff to make the game better, have 1 spokesperson present it to radu

stay away from pk suggestions though if u a mixer ><
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ateh, whats ur name in TO ?
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Jun 15 2009, 02:38 AM
stay away from pk suggestions though if u a mixer ><
:X :X :X :X

ever come to mind that there are mixers that actually train too? And there are mixers that actually try out PK every now and then?

Tunnelvision ftl.
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Dilly
Jun 15 2009, 04:41 AM
Zutekh
Jun 15 2009, 02:38 AM
stay away from pk suggestions though if u a mixer ><
:X :X :X :X

ever come to mind that there are mixers that actually train too? And there are mixers that actually try out PK every now and then?

Tunnelvision ftl.
Those poor people who "try" pk usually get blown and they never wana come back. Thats why KF has the same people all the time :unsure:
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Jun 15 2009, 05:07 AM
Dilly
Jun 15 2009, 04:41 AM
Zutekh
Jun 15 2009, 02:38 AM
stay away from pk suggestions though if u a mixer ><
:X :X :X :X

ever come to mind that there are mixers that actually train too? And there are mixers that actually try out PK every now and then?

Tunnelvision ftl.
Those poor people who "try" pk usually get blown and they never wana come back. Thats why KF has the same people all the time :unsure:
Not everyone has a place in PK, I for one gladly admit that it's just not for me. I lack the focus, I lack the drive and most of all I hate the attitudes and the pathetic flames. Matter of opinion and choice. Doesn't mean I didn't at least try it in my own way.

But there are people that would like to try it, and would like to see what it's all about, and honestly I question if ganging up on a 80s a-der over and over and over again just because you don't know who they are, is the right way to go about getting more people there.

As Zutekh keeps repeating: it should be fun. I'll tell you one thing: there is nothing fun about coming back from the underworld for the 10th time in an hour. There is nothing fun about training your butt of, finally finding someone to have a levelled fight with, only to have it fucked up by some dickhead who only has balls because he bought 40 a-d levels more than you were able to train yourself to so far.

Not everyone has the 'I don't give a shit' attitude that's apparently needed to be allowed into your 'L33T PKer world'.

I'm glad I do give a shit, and even happier not to be part of it.
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Dilly
Jun 15 2009, 04:41 AM
Zutekh
Jun 15 2009, 02:38 AM
stay away from pk suggestions though if u a mixer ><
:X :X :X :X

ever come to mind that there are mixers that actually train too? And there are mixers that actually try out PK every now and then?

Tunnelvision ftl.
so?
happens often that a mixer with low a/d and attributes expects to beat a high lvl a/d char fully build for pk/training, but they dont win so they go on forums and suggest something stupid to ruin all the hard work/time spend lvling
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Jun 15 2009, 08:02 AM
Dilly
Jun 15 2009, 04:41 AM
Zutekh
Jun 15 2009, 02:38 AM
stay away from pk suggestions though if u a mixer ><
:X :X :X :X

ever come to mind that there are mixers that actually train too? And there are mixers that actually try out PK every now and then?

Tunnelvision ftl.
so?
happens often that a mixer with low a/d and attributes expects to beat a high lvl a/d char fully build for pk/training, but they dont win so they go on forums and suggest something stupid to ruin all the hard work/time spend lvling
which is as unreasonable, just to give an example, as a fulltime PKer suggesting to remove certain potions from a game because they are driving up the costs for his preferred playstyle, totally disregarding the fact that the potions are actually used by others in other situations as well (potionskill, invasions, instances).





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lol acc/evas are actually made by potioners? thats a myth, I bet anyone that more then 95% of acc/eva's in game were bought from the NPC's. invasions being if you have to use acc/eva on it, your more then 85% going to diss/tele on it. use of mirror is much more useful. and for instances? I never have had to use acc/eva ever in any of the instances i've been in, And I have been in all of them. The attribute pots are more then enough, acc/eva which EVERYONE in PK uses is a bigger sink then rosto's.
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it's a player's CHOICE to use them, or to not use them. Just as it's a choice to take hellspawn or Hos perks, or to not take a few inorg nexus or veg nexus to provide in part of your own needs.
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Jun 15 2009, 04:04 AM
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he is oO
My sympathy is Ltd (Pty).
Just for tonight, forget what is right.

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Dilly
Jun 15 2009, 10:07 AM
it's a player's CHOICE to use them, or to not use them. Just as it's a choice to take hellspawn or Hos perks, or to not take a few inorg nexus or veg nexus to provide in part of your own needs.
From your posts it's very clear Dilly that even when you did try PK 'in you own style', you weren't looking to be as competitive as possible for your levels.

All it comes down to is whether or not Radu want's to have a game with a lot of PK'ers.

Mostly people who want to partake in PvP regularly are competitive types, if Radu wants to throw away thousands of potential players by not removing/adjusting some potions (for example) that 95% of are consumed in PK, just to keep the 5% (yourself) who use them elsewhere happy, guess that's his choice.

If you want to ensure the playerbase stays small and reduce the potential for Radu to have more PK'er type players (many of who throw plenty of $$ around), then keep up your arguing against ideas that increase fun for the vast majority just to keep your minority happy.

...it's a secret plot to ensure Radu doesn't get more $$? ...ur so ebul :P
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Jun 15 2009, 04:22 PM
If you want to ensure the playerbase stays small and reduce the potential for Radu to have more PK'er type players (many of who throw plenty of $$ around), then keep up your arguing against ideas that increase fun for the vast majority just to keep your minority happy.
Sorry to burst your bubble on this Korr, but the vast majority of EL players doesn't give a rat's ass about PK. Is it something they should try? I believe it's good to at least try and understand a little what it's about, yes. I tried, I didn't WANT to understand it in the end, but at least I broadened my horizon for a while.

PK can be fun, I don't question that. It gives an extra dimension to a game that's totally enjoyable to many without it. But EL being the way it has grown, it's perfectly possible to live without it, and many people actually are.

BTW... you probably haven't noticed, seen as you haven't been playing lately, but there's quite a big number of new characters levelling their way up right now, who knows.. you may get some new blood to drink np :P

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