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Leaving EL; alot of people are ........
Topic Started: Jun 4 2009, 06:33 PM (3,140 Views)
Kidberg
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I left cause of all the idiot changes that happen. I tried to come back then radu made the harvesting mini events....therefore I left again.

Pfft. The game of EL itself is ridiculous how its set up and works. The only good thing about the game is some of its players.
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kav
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Kidberg
Jun 6 2009, 06:24 AM
I left cause of all the idiot changes that happen. I tried to come back then radu made the harvesting mini events....therefore I left again.

Pfft. The game of EL itself is ridiculous how its set up and works. The only good thing about the game is some of its players.
Exactly. If I wasn't skyping w/the EL players I usually play with I wouldn't be on EL at all.
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Infamous
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have to agree w/ zaer and korrode, if he focused more on what players want (if its nothing too rediculous) more then what he wants there would be more players coming/staying and spending in shop.

right now he does the thinking for us, thinking what we want and what would be good for us, well that isnt working out too good.
he should focus more on suggestions from long time players who actually got something worthwhile to say.

besides that, better treatment lol, yesterday i got muted 3 times and my alt banned cause supposedly i was mod bashing by saying ppl should vote me for mod, thought it was a joke cause muting for that was bs or a joke cause it was nothing bad, so i logged on alt to continue to chat, after that mute + ban for bypassing a bs mute..... no warnings, got ignored and got pissed off, im not spending $ in shop to support that.
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Korrode
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Xarondas
Jun 6 2009, 06:05 AM
Korrode are u believing what u are saying, no offence but a two-years business plan without investors or at least bank support is a lol. And the problem is, that radu wants to make money? wtf, who doesnt.
I have a good expirience in rl about plans and how to fund , honestly at what u are saying i would lol even at before-crisis times.
The game doesnt need to get much better (unless u put it from graphics issue but imho i think that Radu target group are players that dont have super-comps), the game needs advertising - so simple-, if he puts some more money into it, there might be more players in-game so the economy will start working, so he wouldnt have to put pressure on existing players. As u can see we have more pro's than n00bs in this game.
My opinion in EL problem:
1. As i said before advertising,
2. Unofficial forum, that has fucked up gc market , and the prices went skyrocketing because of that (there was a good 1$/4kgc rate now its 1$/9kgc) so players that dont buy gc actually suffer

If u actually come up with a real plan and u want to share it with radu, i think he would actually listen

If you think the concept of making the game fun to attract more players is "a lol" business plan, if you think it's better to focus on taking a lot of money from each member of a small playerbase rather than less money from a WAY larger playerbase (i.e. consider an average of $100 from 500 people p/y VS $30 from 5000 p/y)... well, it's not really worth me getting into a debate with you...

EDIT:meh, what the hell
Xarondas
Jun 6 2009, 06:05 AM
no offence but a two-years business plan without investors or at least bank support is a lol.
Radu's not operating a company with physical stock, employees, premises maintenance/lease, insurance premiums, etc... He's developing a MMORPG server of which he doesn't even have hosting fees for (remember some French company hosts it for copies of the code). AFAIK the only hosting fee's he's got are for the webserver, and even for client downloads he's got people offering him free mirroring (again i'll stress; AFAIK).
He can get a desk job and devote less weekly time to EL enhancement, just ensuring that the changes he does make to it are 'fun', and then reap bigger financial benefits a couple of years down the track, and quit the desk job.
What's "a lol" is your comments about "investors" or "bank support" like they're a requirement for what i suggest.

Hell, Krayon (my housemate) currently has and is paying for hosting to support a small-scale MMORPG and a webserver for it... and he ain't got no investors or bank support, nor does he earn any extreme amount of money from his day job.

Xarondas
Jun 6 2009, 06:05 AM
I have a good expirience in rl about plans and how to fund.
Really? What's your portfolio if you don't mind me asking...

I run my own business and am involved with marketing for multiple small businesses, from a variety of industries... all of which are successful and growing to date.


EDIT2:
All that said, i agree with you that EL could use more and better advertising/marketing, but it's not the crux of the problem, and alone wont be the solution.
Edited by Korrode, Jun 6 2009, 09:32 AM.
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zaer
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and for the 10000000th time in over 3 years of the same questions/arguments going round the EL community the same inevitable answer is.....

ent is a douche.
coolbeans.
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the wraith did it D:
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Xarondas
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I think radu started the game from scratch so ,imho, for some years at the beginning might been a lil hard for him, and now he can benefit from it.
As for the my portofolio, there isnt much, just i manage a "small number of portofolios" at the bank i am working , thankfully costumers are still happy and i have my job, that i do for 12 year now.
Btw i really try to understand "player happy' reason, what u mean? get enornous amount of gc ingame, endless exp and no effort at all?
Edited by Xarondas, Jun 6 2009, 11:29 AM.
Left EL 3/28/2009
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Ryosuke

beat my portfolio.
my rl name is Theo Paphitis.

cant spell my own name :<
Edited by Ryosuke, Jun 6 2009, 11:38 AM.
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zaer
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DUNCAN VALENTINE IS KING!!!
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Jun 6 2009, 05:12 AM
american kids today :knifehead:
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Xarondas
Jun 6 2009, 11:26 AM
I think radu started the game from scratch so ,imho, for some years at the beginning might been a lil hard for him, and now he can benefit from it.
As for the my portofolio, there isnt much, just i manage a "small number of portofolios" at the bank i am working , thankfully costumers are still happy and i have my job, that i do for 12 year now.
Btw i really try to understand "player happy' reason, what u mean? get enornous amount of gc ingame, endless exp and no effort at all?
why does everyone think "all or nothing" ?

sorry to get you out of your little box, but there is more then just that, in-between?
you know, not too hard to get, but not too easy either, stuff that is nice for casual players who dont spend 12 hours playing.

almost all, if not all changes are made with "has to be hard" in mind. cause just fun will get boring.
i understand that, but should it really cost an arm and a leg?
if Radu wants more players, and more customers, he will need to focus on casual gameplay, not 1337 gaming grinding 24/7 to be able to get somewhere or get something done.
items could require less ingreds to make and more spawns could be added and mini-events could be removed
just those 3 changes would make a big difference already, and make the game more attractive
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MLCA

honestly i think radu is capable cuz the game he made was very nice few time ago every1 agrees on that BUT i think he made some mistakes recently managing the game and the way it goes and i also think hes not the right person to interact with the players directly he should have some1 to talk for him som1 more professional in terms, i mean, he gets frustrated i believe and mad then talks what he thinks and offends ppl and thats not something you wanna do disrespect your customers in any business no matter how stupid their complains and suggestions can be

i still think EL is kinda fun BUT im not willing to spend most of time training my butt off making money in the game and training to catch up ppls in 130s AD til im able to have some fun pking again, my free time id like to have FUN in el like when on WOW u lvl fast u itens dont brake and always some areas u go u find ur lvls to fight and have fun not ppl alot more strong than u wipin ur ass as soon as u step in pk area like in EL

and i feel sorry for ppl that achieved high lvls cuz i think the game would really need a AD cap or some other method high lvls get penalized or something for killing lowbies that wanna have some fun
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Smith, W

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Jun 6 2009, 01:14 PM
you know, not too hard to get, but not too easy either, stuff that is nice for casual players who dont spend 12 hours playing.

almost all, if not all changes are made with "has to be hard" in mind. cause just fun will get boring.
i understand that, but should it really cost an arm and a leg?
if Radu wants more players, and more customers, he will need to focus on casual gameplay, not 1337 gaming grinding 24/7 to be able to get somewhere or get something done.
items could require less ingreds to make and more spawns could be added and mini-events could be removed
just those 3 changes would make a big difference already, and make the game more attractive
Yeah, totally agree here.
anyone who doesn't get the orwell reference should read more.
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aTeh
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the fun aspect of it is so true, when Horses came out I remember thinking WTF , you cant do anything with them other than walk around yet it eats that creature food stuff that takes like 500k ingredients to make.

What a pain in the arse that is, not much fun at all.

So it seems whats needed is for someone to put the fun back into EL and take the focus off it being about :

New Item = Requires more shit than the last new one and is too strong anyway

New Skill = Automatic GC sink , massive grind to get anywhere , example : sit and harvest dung for 367 hours to have 500 in your storage so you can make 20 salt petre , to make a single mine that requires 50 salt petre

Yay im bitching/thinking



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zaer
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as you can see ent already has a pro advertising campaign in place, one that obviously cost him top dollar.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4439/lalapnb.jpg
Edited by zaer, Jun 6 2009, 06:52 PM.
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people totally (99% of the time) ignore all those internet banner/side adverts :P

My sympathy is Ltd (Pty).
Just for tonight, forget what is right.

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zaer
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BUT IT COSTS 10 MOTHERFUCKING DOLLAR PER MONTH!

dunno why advertising on the noob is so cheap, surely better stuff should be advertised there :/
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Jun 6 2009, 12:55 PM
Korrode
Jun 6 2009, 05:12 AM
american kids today :knifehead:
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wow, what an inventive retort.


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Xarondas
Jun 6 2009, 11:26 AM
I think radu started the game from scratch so ,imho, for some years at the beginning might been a lil hard for him, and now he can benefit from it.
As for the my portofolio, there isnt much, just i manage a "small number of portofolios" at the bank i am working , thankfully costumers are still happy and i have my job, that i do for 12 year now.
Btw i really try to understand "player happy' reason, what u mean? get enornous amount of gc ingame, endless exp and no effort at all?
why does everyone think "all or nothing" ?

sorry to get you out of your little box, but there is more then just that, in-between?
you know, not too hard to get, but not too easy either, stuff that is nice for casual players who dont spend 12 hours playing.

almost all, if not all changes are made with "has to be hard" in mind. cause just fun will get boring.
i understand that, but should it really cost an arm and a leg?
if Radu wants more players, and more customers, he will need to focus on casual gameplay, not 1337 gaming grinding 24/7 to be able to get somewhere or get something done.
items could require less ingreds to make and more spawns could be added and mini-events could be removed
just those 3 changes would make a big difference already, and make the game more attractive
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Cruella

In any mmorpg an important thing is proportion between effort and entertainment (work vs play). Mini harvest events were the last but not least reason that caused me to stop playing EL. Even with later changes (rate reduction, medallion etc) they were too much to handle for me. There is a threshold of grinding one can accept and unfortunately I have reached mine.

The biggest sin of recent EL times is a philosophy of fixing issues by making things harder - either by limiting resources, increasing time required to accomplish tasks or introducing money sinks that initially look good but in reality have negative impact on a skill (e.g. AP ranging potions) or are not balanced in a way that encourage players enough to use them frequently (speed hax pots and horses to name a few).

Unfortunately everything can be explained and justified with that neverending beta-stage argument, but as a player I cannot endlessly buy that. I'm really sorry to see so many cool ideas that WOULD work IF ONLY slightly tweaked went to the drain. Some activities lost its purpose - at least for me - (leo hunt for instance was both fun, sort of competition AND profit, now its skin is useless again, so HOURS spent chasing him no longer are worth it).

To sum up - I have moved to the game that is more entertaining and rewarding (better time spent/fun ratio). I still hope though EL will change in favor of players so I keep my account for now.

One more thing - for the people like the ones who post here, what Hardcore says above could have been sufficient ("items could require less ingreds to make and more spawns could be added and mini-events could be removed") to bring them back to EL. However, in order to accomodate and retain more new players, substantial changes are required to make levelling up to let's say 30-50 (depending on skill) way easier, whether we like it or not. This becomes obvious when you try any other game around - EL loses at the start, other games are simply faster paced, more entertaining and more rewarding, the progress is way faster and usually at each level there are activities specific for this level that make character development more interesting and less monotonous.

EL needs to make a choice - either to adjust and make things easier and more entertaining for new players or to stay a small niche game for OCD grinders - in a current form it is perfect though for those who feel compelled to voluntarily perform irrational, time-consuming physical behaviors to diminish their anxiety rofl ;-)
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