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Deleted User Nov 28 2010, 05:54 PM Post #196
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Scouten
Nov 28 2010, 04:48 PM
i find tein weak compared to other characters
See, real players know he needs a buff, not a nerf.
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Scouten Nov 28 2010, 07:01 PM Post #197
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 i mean hes strong in his own regards but id rather stay with chocolate than 2 strong spells
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Xsrgy Nov 28 2010, 08:53 PM Post #198
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 i agree with the frieza buff, and thx for the stubborness insight xD
mmm well i dunno how to get tien lol, but personally majin madness is crazy, i can nearly solo omega at 13k stats with majin madness. and then u just change ur stance to dodge... lol
frieza just cant compete :l
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SoulEater Dec 2 2010, 01:30 PM Post #199
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 I think ss4 gogeta needs a nerf. I know avarize said that fusion is there to end the game if it hasn't finished yet but it's annoying to see 2 noobs heaven trainning and then cames gogeta ss4 much stronger than you even if you have done all sagas and tourneys gogeta ss4 will still be stronger than you.
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ZODD Dec 2 2010, 01:55 PM Post #200
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I think ss4 gogeta needs a nerf. I know avarize said that fusion is there to end the game if it hasn't finished yet but it's annoying to see 2 noobs heaven trainning and then cames gogeta ss4 much stronger than you even if you have done all sagas and tourneys gogeta ss4 will still be stronger than you.
i guess your playing free mode ?


in normal mode it wont last that long
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Koga Dec 2 2010, 02:41 PM Post #201
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 Not always. When you have competent enemies matches could legitimately last that long. Hell there was a match where bebi was dominating, but he wasn't able to kill me or veg (we were sneaky) and we managed to fuse and get our ss4's at which point we turned it around and won it. Granted we were keeping up, but fusion gave us an unfair edge. Again, I still think evil being able to summon omega if (and ONLY if) good fuses (to restate the basic idea, omega would only be able to be summoned if ss4 gogeta or vegito is present, at which point omega would be able to be called on at any time, so it acts as a counter and a deterrent).
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SoulEater Dec 2 2010, 04:01 PM Post #202
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Dec 2 2010, 02:41 PM
Not always. When you have competent enemies matches could legitimately last that long. Hell there was a match where bebi was dominating, but he wasn't able to kill me or veg (we were sneaky) and we managed to fuse and get our ss4's at which point we turned it around and won it. Granted we were keeping up, but fusion gave us an unfair edge. Again, I still think evil being able to summon omega if (and ONLY if) good fuses (to restate the basic idea, omega would only be able to be summoned if ss4 gogeta or vegito is present, at which point omega would be able to be called on at any time, so it acts as a counter and a deterrent).
Good idea. But yeah, I was playing Free Mode. But it also happened in Normal Mode. Think about it, to kill Omega you need to get your last transformation about lv90~120 and by that time Goku and Vegeta probably already learned the Fusion Dance and are going to steal you Black Dbs...
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Koga Dec 2 2010, 04:25 PM Post #203
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 Which is why summoning your own omega would be a good counter. Again, omega would basically be evil's fusion counter, two evil's would give their life energy to summon him, and he would be under their control. I'm clarifying because it sounds like you think I'm referring to evil being able to summon the saga omega that would give them Dballs on death, however I am not.
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SoulEater Dec 2 2010, 05:15 PM Post #204
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 I know. I'm not that stupit... o.O
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Koga Dec 2 2010, 05:42 PM Post #205
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 If you aren't then explain, "by that time Goku and Vegeta probably already learned the Fusion Dance and are going to steal you Black Dbs..." If implemented as explained, Omega would be just as powerful (if not more so) than their fusion, at which point if they show up they might end up dead.
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SoulEater Dec 2 2010, 06:14 PM Post #206
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 Other thing that I think needs to be nerfed is the ''chock'' at Dr. Gero's Lab. If my memory ins't failing it gives 20 all stats at the cost of 10~20% of max health (don't know exactly). If you are a Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, Piccolo, Broly or Android (using Hell Storm)you can just sit there and the revert and transform again. Doing this you can get stats really easy and some players abuse of this a lot.
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Koga Dec 2 2010, 06:45 PM Post #207
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 Yeah the shock is a bit imba, but you're not even mentioning the worst two, buu and bebi. Bebi can sit there and minion farm right from level 20, and gather minions at a very fast pace while bebi sit there and gains stats, plus when he upgrades his health auto restores, so if he's fast enough he'll never have to leave the circle. Cell can do something similar, just send out juniors to kill for him while he farm it, regening when he needs to heal. But as you probably know, buu is the worst. Due to his regen he can afk there, go get some mcdonalds, fap, pay the bills, and come back to a buu that would be very strong (provided no zfighter guessing he was farming it).

On the issue of buu's regen, I personally like it, it was a great idea. However it is too easily abused as it is. I don't remember this issue being fully addressed, and if it has ok, but if not it's something that should be brought up.
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SoulEater Dec 2 2010, 06:53 PM Post #208
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 I think the stats you gain needs to be nerfed or just increase the damage you take.
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Koga Dec 2 2010, 07:03 PM Post #209
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 Neither of those are really solid solutions. If you reduce the stats people probably won't use it as much. If you increase the damage, it just means they'll have to heal more often (or in buu's case, no change). Still, if you can't cure a wound, it's still better to treat it than leave it as is.

Edit: I on the subject of trans. abuse, I remember someone mentioned that something needs to be done about it because it reset's the CD's. Some abilities benefit from this, but the major concern is items, such as soda's and the namekian dragonballs. Simply reverting or transforming resets the timer and lets you use again right away. Again, I know it was mentioned before, but don't remember if a solution was found (unless you want to leave it as is, seeing how it does come with a bit of a risk).
Edited by Koga, Dec 2 2010, 07:07 PM.
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SoulEater Jan 5 2011, 12:11 AM Post #210
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 Well, Garlick Bottle needs a nerf! Reduce the hold time by 1 second and it'll be ok. I mean, 3 seconds early game is more than necessary to kill someone...
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