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| Salary Walkthrough; I posted this in the Phillies team roster to help him out, you can all use it as a walkthrough | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 17 2010, 11:01 PM (440 Views) | |
| StevenWithAph | Feb 17 2010, 11:01 PM Post #1 |
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HALL OF FAMER
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There are three factors you need to take into consideration in order to determine what type of calculations to use to determine your players contract values for our league, and all three of these factors are based on MLB service time. They are: (a) young players who are in their 1st-3rd pro season in 2010 (b) arbitration eligible players who are in their 4th-6th year pro in 2010, and (c) veteran players who have completed 6 pro seasons or more heading into 2010. Ok, so in order to start, the way I like to do it is to write down a list of the players I'm considering keeping on my team on a sheet of paper. Then, log onto mlb.com and go to the Phillies home page and access their '40-man roster'. By clicking on a players name in the roster it will bring up their career stats. The columns under their career stats, in order, read; 'season', 'team', 'games', 'ab'. AB (or At-Bats) is the number we are most worried about at this point. I personally then like to write down the 'arb. stats' that are applicable to any player who is in their arb years, so that I don't have to keep flipping back and forth between web pages, my sheet of paper becomes a very handy 'cheat sheet' for me to use when adding up a players arbitration salary (because it has all the needed stats, the year that player is in, and then I write down the salary each player will earn after I determine it. This makes it very easy to type in my roster on my teams forum page, it's just a straight transfer from my cheat sheet). I'm going to use Raul Ibanez as an example here because his numbers work out very well for this example. A player in the MLB is considered 'rookie eligible' - or in his 1st year pro, until he has completed the season in which he took his 130th career AB. So looking at Ibanez, in 1996 he logged 5 ABs, in '97 26 ABs, and in '98 he had 98 ABs giving him a total of 129 ABs through his first '3 years' in the league. However, he still hasn't hit that magical 130 plateau, so in the eyes of MLB (and our league) he is still a rookie, even though he was going into his 4th season in 1999. Then in '99 he took another 209 ABs, and had now completed his rookie season. Now we start counting. As he had at least 1 AB in each season between 2000 and 2009, each one of those seasons start counting toward his 'mlb service time'. So, we add those 10 seasons (2000-2009) to his rookie year of 1999 and we can see that Raul Ibanez will be entering his 12th pro season in 2010, making him fall under the 'veteran player salary' for our fantasy league. In order to establish a vet players salary we do exactly what you did - log onto www.mlbcontracts.blogspot.com, click on the phillies team page, scroll down to Raul Ibanez, and plug in his 2010 base contract value, which was 11.5 million. Since he is signed by the Phillies through 2011, and all veteran players have guaranteed contracts, you also aquire Ibanez's 2011 contract at 11.5 million (this dollar amount will be THE SAME as the 2010 amount in our league no matter how much his contract value in 2011 actually is on the 'COTs' page, because we have made a rule that says we are using player's 2010 contract value as the standard salary for every year which they are under contract, just for the sake of simplicity). We now know that Raul Ibanez will cost you 11.5 mil each season through the 2011 season, at which point he becomes an unrestricted free agent able to be signed by anyone during our offseason free agency. Since the Phillies are a very veteran player team right now, a lot of your players contracts are going to be determined using this method, but there are some that won't. Ben Francisco, using his player profile page on MLB.com to determine service time, will be going into his 3rd Pro season in 2010 (2008 was his rookie year, 2009 his 2nd). In our league, he is considered a 'young player' who will be under team control through his 6th pro season (i.e. he will have non-guaranteed contracts). In our league rules, it states that a 3rd year player earns a 1.2 mil salary. Simple. Done. Greg Dobbs, Ryan Howard, and Jayson Werth are all going into their 6th year, Shane Victorino into his 5th, and Carlos Ruiz into his 4th, making all of these players 'arbitration eligible'. During this time of their career, in our league, we do not use their real-life contracts. They are paid a salary which is calculated using our 'arbitration scale'. All of these players have a base salary (1.5 for 4th yr, 1.8 for 5th year, and 2.0 for 6th yr) and then are awarded raises based on the stats they put up the previous season (in this case, 2009 obviously). Ryan Howard hit 45HRs (3.0 mil raise), 141RBIs (4.0), 105Runs (2.0), 8SB (0.0), and a .279AVG (0.5). 3+4+2+0+.5 = 9.5 for a total raise based on stats. The rules state that since he is going into his 6th pro season, his final year of being arbitration eligible, he is entitled to 100% of that raise + his 2.0 base salary = $11.5 for his 2010 salary. Dobbs and Werth do the exact same thing using their 2009 stats, Victorino does the same only he's entitled to 80% of his raise b/c he's in his 5th season, and Ruiz is entitled to 60% going into his 4th season. So this is what I came out with: Carlos Ruiz 4th year pro, salary of $1.5 Greg Dobbs 6th year pro, $2.0 Ryan Howard 6th, $11.5 Placido Polanco contract expires after 2012, $5.0 per season Jimmy Rollins expires '10 (option years are auto-declined), $7.5 Chase Utley '13, $15.0 Ben Francisco 3rd, $1.2 Raul Ibanez '11, $11.5 Shane Victorino 5th, $5.8 Jayson Werth 6th, $8.5 The way that we write out our players and their contracts also reveals some info about them. Anyone who has a calander year next to their name ('10, '11, etc.) we know is a vet players with a guaranteed contract, which runs out after 'x' season. Anyone who has a years of service time next to their name we know is a young player or arbitration eligible player, who have non-guaranteed contracts, and we can easily see how many more seasons we have that player under team control for. I also like to put in their positions as an easy, quick, reference for myself to see which positions I may be a little thin on or that I'm going to need to focus on aquiring for upcomming seasons in order to offset expiring contracts. So taking all this info into account, this is how I would form my roster on here: C Carlos Ruiz 4th 1.5 3B, LF Greg Dobbs 6th 2.0 1B Ryan Howard 6th 11.5 2B Placido Polanco '12 5.0 SS Jimmy Rollins '10 7.5 2B Chase Utley '13 15.0 LF, CF, RF Ben Francisco 3rd 1.2 LF Raul Ibanez '11 11.5 CF Shane Victorino 5th 5.8 CF, RF Jayson Werth 6th 8.5 10 batters, sub-total of $69.5 |
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| Daybreaker | Feb 19 2010, 05:43 PM Post #2 |
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Is there a specific "trusted" source that identifies the actual salaries and years...just to avoid confusion? |
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| StevenWithAph | Feb 19 2010, 06:58 PM Post #3 |
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HALL OF FAMER
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As far as I can tell the Cot's page is dead on, I've used it in a previous league, and out of the 30 managers in that league no one found any disputes. |
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| Daybreaker | Feb 19 2010, 10:37 PM Post #4 |
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VETERAN
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No worries...just wanted to make sure that there wasn't any potential confusion. MLB.com has the info... |
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| StevenWithAph | Jan 28 2011, 03:04 PM Post #5 |
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HALL OF FAMER
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MLB.com's info takes into account a lot of factors in a players contract that we ignore for the sake of simplicity, mainly signing bonuses and option years. |
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| Tony Dorr | Feb 7 2011, 12:01 AM Post #6 |
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when did we pass a rule on just using the 2011 salary for the life of the contract? last year we used the actual value for each year of the contract over the life of the contract as posted by Cots. it's simple, and that way we avoid the problems of low-value first years of a contract becoming the players contract value for several years (when their MLB salary actually goes up/down from year to year. just replicate the MLB base salary as posted in Cots (since we just looked it up anyways...). cheers, TD |
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| StevenWithAph | Feb 7 2011, 11:13 AM Post #7 |
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HALL OF FAMER
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Haha this is the rule from last year. We had it that the 2010 base contract value was the contract value each season. There isn't any way to differentiate a real mlb contract from a fantasy contract past year 1 of the league, so in order to avoid confusion, it just made the most sense. Some people got lucky and had players in their cheaper years early on, some got unlucky and had guys in their more expensive years. Seems balanced as a starting poiint though, because after probably 3 years or so most players who had their real-life contracts comming into the UFBDL would be expired. |
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