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TE FUNPATCH Modding/Discussion/Suggestion thread; Cool FP
Topic Started: Nov 11 2009, 11:07 AM (25,493 Views)
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We played a ffa like a week ago, and benno had 10 mahouts. they killed my entire army, even the reformed qiangs :(
Yes, Mahouts are too lame. They even have x2 vs ranged cav right now!! (well, vs all cav but ranged cav are cav too). We could give them a HI penalty as well.
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New suggestions: Involve an export generate boost in some of the imperial paddy upgrades.
Yes, the export trickle is kinda low.
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Xbows making siege damage is lame. Make them have non-siege damage at first, but involve the siege damage in guard upgrade, if possible.
I havent really experienced xbows as lame, but I havent really seen them that much either.
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Tower and castle upgrades need to be cheaper
Yes, and maybe the actual buildings as well? :P
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The Naturalist politician should give 10 or 12 cows (up from 4)

The bishop politican should give 4 vills instead of 2. The german bishop changed accordingly, to deliver 2 settler wagons.

The adventurer politician to deliver 6 villagers. Best if the british don't receive this modification ;D.
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Maybe give gurkha smaller ROF, they aren't very practical right now.
Yeah Gurkhas do suck atm. Hmm, maybe like 25-30 ROF?
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Ok just 1 more: Don't know if this is possible, but can you give explorers/monks/chiefs a warcry? War Cry is basically a temporary unit stat boost. This should probably only be for the WC civs
We boosted Explorers quite a bit, so we should give war chiefs (and monks) some kind of boost to. This one sounds good ;)
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Yeah Gurkhas do suck atm. Hmm, maybe like 25-30 ROF?


About the gurkhas.. it could be lower than 20-25 ROF. Microing gurkhas 1 by 1 is annoying to do :)

If we think about military and snipers, i'd suggest a ROF of 5-10. ROF of 5 could be lame in early colonial, so maybe do this like many other improvements: give the ROF reduction in veteran or guard upgrade. You have to remember gurka is nowhere near efficient especially in lategame. Unless it's about vsing fellow howdahs ;D


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Xbows making siege damage is lame. Make them have non-siege damage at first, but involve the siege damage in guard upgrade, if possible.



Yeah maybe i'm a bit wrong about those xbows, but they seem kinda OP. Probably due to the presence of cuirs. Their range is too high in comparison to the damage they inflict.

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Yes, and maybe the actual buildings as well? :P


definetly, and the port team cheap outpost card should give like -80% cost :D Maybe the new costs should be outpost: 150-175, castle: 200 wood
Edited by Lord_Sami, Jul 15 2010, 01:01 PM.
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Admiral of the ocean sea: Either make this deliver 2 caravels and 400w, or 1 caravel and 600w


change to deliver one monitor ^^
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k and change monitor build limit to 30
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Yes, and maybe the actual buildings as well? :P


definetly, and the port team cheap outpost card should give like -80% cost :D Maybe the new costs should be outpost: 150-175, castle: 200 wood
Actually, make tower base cost 100 wood, and castle 125 or 150w

Then that team cheap outposts card gives +4 build limit, and makes them 60% cheaper.
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gaise i got a great idea i got it from aoe2,
in aoe2 you can build a wonder that will grans you a auto winning countdown
now i though of this : in imp age you can build a wonder that grants you a lazer bear if it finished and also make it a bit like a revolt for imp age, vills transfrom in learnicorns, but with reduced strats or else it will be TO OP
wonder for euros : ossuary
wonder for native : aztec temple
wonder for asain : regent's castle

A other idea:
fixed gun buildable, it is a huge ground cannon that isnt movable.
availble in imp age. it works as a silk road tp if thier are units near you control it,
removed that and make him "siege"able
Edited by owns, Jul 23 2010, 03:55 PM.
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it s actually a but like aom(age of mythology)
in which in last age u can build a structure called titan gate which realeses a titan(beast with massive hp and attack almost wtfpawn all enemy towns)
GOOD IDEA OWNS!

*beer*
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gaise i got a great idea i got it from aoe2,
in aoe2 you can build a wonder that will grans you a auto winning countdown
now i though of this : in imp age you can build a wonder that grants you a lazer bear if it finished and also make it a bit like a revolt for imp age, vills transfrom in learnicorns, but with reduced strats or else it will be TO OP
wonder for euros : ossuary
wonder for native : aztec temple
wonder for asain : regent's castle

A other idea:
fixed gun buildable, it is a huge ground cannon that isnt movable.
availble in imp age. it works as a silk road tp if thier are units near you control it,
removed that and make him "siege"able
TP monopoly is effectively this.

However this wouldnt be a bad idea. But since weve already got the beta, better to focus more on balance than additions, which would have to be balanced again.
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IMO additions are always a good idea, if you want balance play a mirror :P
But since this would be for all civs it wouldn't boost one over the other.
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Its not always about balancing for each civ. Its also about balancing for each age. You dont want it to be too good, or everyone will just get to that age to use it, or not good enough, in which case no one would want to bother. Again, its not a bad idea, but since we are already in the beta stage, its better to improve what we already have rather than add new things, which we will have to balance again.
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the idea of this is balancing the Imperial age, because revolution is so good that there is no sense going to Imperial ...l
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Free spies IMO :P

Lol if it turns out a civ is really UP, we can give them free spies at the start of the game *lol*
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Yes :D
Maphacks...
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Hmm so should we even bother finishing this now that SC2 is out?

Who here would still play it?
Edited by No_nickname, Aug 10 2010, 09:07 AM.
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let's just finish it :D
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Aug 10 2010, 09:19 PM
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What?
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Let's finish it.

How do you think that's not spam, Kapow? Seriously, do you want to get banned?
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let's just finish it :D

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Let's finish it.

Okay lets finish it.

So what do you guise think about free spies in Imperial? Too OP?
And what about an increased Factory limit in Imperial?
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That sounds good to me, we improved revolution so I figure we should boost imperial as well.
Maybe a drastically reduced cost spies if free spies is too OP.
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I'm expressing my sadness towards sc2 taking preference over the funp
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Hmm so the bugs I can think of so far are:

- Mahouts should have x2 vs hand cav but not ranged cav (currently it is x2 vs all cav)
- Travois bonus vs light infantry removed and replaced with a bonus of x2.25 vs infantry and a x0.44 penalty vs heavy infantry
- Travois can maybe get reduced ranged resistance, heavy cav and cav tags and x0.1 vs heavy infantry, so they counter *RI, are normal vs. heavy cav, and get countered by heavy infantry and ranged cavalry.
- Fodders have a vill tag and show as idle vills when idle
- Flying Dutchmans description is "Tame Bison" *lol* (should we change this? Kinda funny lol :P )
- Organ gun description is innacurate (it says they can dance)
- Outposts and Forts should do much, much better vs. flying ships (especially outposts, 100 damage isn't nearly enough when youre facing up to 5 flying ships with 2500 hitpoints each)
- Fix flying dutchman stealth (they cant unstealth, but they can attack while stealthed and are then visible to the enemy while still appearing stealthed and then cannot be re-stealthed becuase they are stealthed but not really :P )

Anyone know anything more?
Btw does anyone know if Travois damage flying units?

Also some possible additional changes are:
- making outposts and castles cheaper (idk if its necessary though as outposts/castles have been boosted by being able to train flying ships)
- reducing the cost of outpost/war hut/castle upgrades
- make the Portuguese TEAM Cheap Outposts card better
- maybe making some researchable upgrades for flying ships
- Revolting could give a special new kind of flying ship, a flying ironclad :P
- auto-spies once you reach the Imperial age. I think we should at least try this to test if it is OP, and if it is too OP we can just make spies cheaper instead.
- A tech in the Imperial age (could be in capitol) that increases Factory build limit)
- Increasing Spy build limit from the current 5 to maybe 10 or 15, make them cost 0 or 1 pop and maybe reduce their cost a little bit. I made it 5 because they had pretty OP stats when I made them shoot and stuff, but they were later nerfed but still cost 200 coin, 2 pop and have a build limit of 5, which is UP IMO.
- removing the Blockade tech or changing its effect because its lame :P
- give Asian civs Big Buttons
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Aug 12 2010, 03:07 AM
Hmm so the bugs I can think of so far are:

- Mahouts should have x2 vs hand cav but not ranged cav (currently it is x2 vs all cav)
Sami is just sour cause i raped his ass with my OP skillz ;)

Edit: They should cost more pop, even though the cost has been upped, the india lategame eco is very solid, more than enough to handle the upped cost, so maybe lower the current cost by 10% and make them 1 more pop?

And i thought they already have a HI penalty?
Edited by bpdscolony, Aug 12 2010, 08:07 AM.
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Sami is just sour cause i raped his ass with my OP skillz ;)
Sami? I never said anything about him...?
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And i thought they already have a HI penalty?
Mahouts do, yes. But I never said anything about that penalty :P
I'mma start making an update in like a few hours.
Edited by No_nickname, Aug 12 2010, 12:12 PM.
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Sami is just sour cause i raped his ass with my OP skillz ;)
Sami? I never said anything about him...?
I know but hes the one moaning about the mahouts saying theyre too good, imo hes just too noob ;)
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Make cheap outposts build outposts wayy faster and keep the cost reduction the same
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Hmm i agree, it will make turtling alot more fun. Hence the name..
Edited by bpdscolony, Aug 12 2010, 01:17 PM.
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Ideas:
-Team free outposts
-Team cheaper airships
-Team outpost combat (HP/Attack up)
-Team fast building outposts
Ideally all of these in my opinion :P
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Free Outposts that are built fast and have increased stats... *lol*
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I agree :D
And the produce airships for cheaper. Also, do we have an airship combat card? Or are they classified as cav or something?
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Imo give outposts strelet speed vs flying ships :D
Edited by Mariomasta, Aug 12 2010, 08:41 PM.
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@Duke: they currently have no cards, and theyere not classified as cav :P
@Mario: uh what?

EDIT: lol OP I just made fixed guns buildable in the imperial age for 1000 wood 4000 coin but with increased stats from campaign stats. Also added a tech to them that makes them fire lazers at a very fast rate :D
Available for all civs btw so won't unbalance anything. They can kill a crapload of army but are easily counterable by artillery so dont worry ;)
Also they are a nice way to protect your base from enemy airship attacks (one can probably take out a fleet of airships lol).
Edited by No_nickname, Aug 12 2010, 08:55 PM.
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That's OP :D
Maybe a build limit?

I can see games lasting awhile with an imperial stalemate with OP culveriens/fixed guns being an OP combo to kill everything with the culvs killing artillery and the fixed guns killing everything else 21
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BL 1?
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Nice work Nick!

I had used them as Tsar Cannons a while back. They could be build by Russian musk after sending the card that also made build them forts. But then you came up with another update and I forgot about it.
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But then you came up with another update and I forgot about it.
Lol sorry about that :)

I'm giving the Fixed Guns a build limit of 3 as of now but if thats too OP we can reduce it.

EDIT: I'm also adding some new capitol upgrades in the imperial age that boost your eco - one that increases factory limit and three tricke upgrades (one for each resource). This way Revolting will give you OP military but less eco while Imperializing gives you an OP eco and still decent military.

Should I give Natives and Asians the trickle upgrades as well in Imperial? Without them they might fall behind the Euros in Imperial.
Edited by No_nickname, Aug 13 2010, 03:15 PM.
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I think so, I'm not sure about the funpatch but in the regular patch I always feel like the euros have the best lategame compared to especially the native civs.
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cause its true? even a bit so in the funpatch, but slightly less so. Nat eco is hard to compare with euros, unless if you use the 119 iro vils, which is hard to come by in normal game.
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I have discovered something. As we know, we cannot add new firepit dances, only modify existing ones. However, I found an old dance in the firepits tactic file that was never used in game ("MorningWarsDance"), but still works. It was supposed to spawn an unique Iroquois unit, but I guess they never made that unit since it was set to spawn ninjas lol.

We can give the Portuguese this new dance. It can for example spawn organ guns/mamelukes/something else or we can maybe make it do something else (havent checked if that works though). Suggestions pl0x :)
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Make it spawn mediocre bombards, but give them low hp, or hp that decreases like MM. Or maybe the dance could spawn learcorns that have MM style hp.

IDK, there are too many possiblities men.. but it should be something OP.
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Have it spawn ninjas? that would be fine
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There is nothing OP about ninjas men..

Or have it spawn some of those rabid dog things ;)
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^You mean War Dogs? :P
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Aug 15 2010, 04:23 PM
^You mean War Dogs? :P
No, those dogs that are in some scens, they do like loads of damage..

IDK what theyre called, they look kinda like zombie dogs..
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fluffy!
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I like the idea of Ninjas. Or maybe 1 ninja + 1 petard if that's possible, if not than just ninjas.

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^ That sounds OP, will try to make that.

EDIT: kk it works. Renamed it to BrianManahan Dance lol. Unfortunately its icon is only a black square and idk how to change that, but it doesnt really matter.
Edited by No_nickname, Aug 15 2010, 07:54 PM.
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Updaet tiem men!
http://www.filefront.com/17205263/FP_16_08_2010.zip

Also included an updated patch note HTML with these new changes.

Code: August 13 Changes
 
General changes
- Ronin and Repetant Ronin can now pick up treasures
- The Naturalist ageup-politician to the Colonial age now delivers 12 cows (up from 4 cows)
- The Bishop politician to the colonial age now delivers 4 settlers (up from 2 settlers).
- The Admiral of the Ocean sea politician to the fortress age now delivers 1 Monitor and 400 wood (up from 1 caravel and 400 wood)
- The Gentleman Pirate Politician to the Fortess age now delivers 4 Fishing Boats and 2 Privateers (up from 2 Barbary Corsairs and 1 Privateer)
- The Mohawk Statesman Politician to the Fortress age now delivers 3 Trading Post Travois and 10 Native scouts (up from 3 Mantlets and 2 Native Scouts)
- Frontier Outposts/Strong War Hut/Hill Castle: cost reduced to 200 wood (down from 400 wood, 200 coin)
- Fortified Outposts/Mighty War Hut/Mountain Castle: cost reduced to 400 wood (down from 800 wood, 400 coin)
- Covered Wagons can now also transform into Farms and Rice Paddies
- Fodder villager tag removed, and they no longer show up as idle vills if idle
- Spy build limit increased to 10 (from 5), pop cost set to 0 (down from 2), cost set to 100 coin (down from 200 coin)
- Rice Paddy upgrades now also increase the Export rate of vills by half the percentage ammount that they increase the
gathering rate of either food or coin (so for example am upgrade that gives +15% food gathering from rice paddies increases a vills export rate by 7.5%)

Imperial age changes
- When you advance to the Imperial age you are automatically granted the Spies technology
- New tech at the capitol: Imperial Industry. Costs 2500 food, 2500 wood and 2500 coin, and increases the build limit of Factories by 4 (to a total of 6),
and lets you train Factory wagons from your TC for 1000 food, 1000 wood and 1000 coin
- All civilizations can now construct up to 3 Fixed Guns when in the Imperial age (native fixed guns have an "overgrown" theme). The Fixed Guns stats are:
- 4000 hitpoints
- Bombard attack: 1000 siege damage; 80 range, 10 minimum range, 8 ROF, 4 damage area, x0.1 vs artillery, x0.1 vs villagers
- Anti-ship attack: 1200 siege damage, 80 range, 10 minimum range, 5 ROF, 4 damage area
- Cost: 1000 wood, 4000 coin
- Build bounty: 1000 XP
- Kill bounty: 2000 XP
- Build points: 120
- A tech is also available at the Fixed Gun: Fixed Lazer Guns. This costs 2000 food and 2000 wood and makes Fixed Guns fire a focused, continious lazer beam,
changing its attack stats to these:
- Bomabard attack: 75 siege damage; 80 range, 5 minimum range, 0.5 ROF, 4 damage area, x0.1 vs artillery, x0.1 vs villagers
- Anti-ship attack: 90 siege damage; 80 range, 5 minimum range, 0.5 ROF, 4 damage area

3 new Capitol techs (researchable in TC for Natives and Asians):
- Imperial Import: costs 800 wood and 800 coin, gives you a trickle of 10 food/second
- Self-chopping trees: costs 800 food and 800 coin, gives you a trickle of 10 wood/second
- Money does grow on trees: costs 800 food and 800 wood, gives you a trickle of 10 coin/second

Aztec
- Farm Travois can now also convert into Plantations

Dutch
- Flying Dutchman description fixed (is no longer "Tame Bison" xD)
- Envoys Blood Smash ability renamed to Falcon Punch

Germany
- The German Bishop politician to the colonial age now delivers 2 Settler Wagons (up from 1 Settler Wagon)

India
- Mahouts 2x bonus vs cavalry changed to a 2x bonus vs heavy cavalry. Also a penalty of x0.75 vs light cavalry added

Iroquois
- Travois
- x2.25 bonus vs light infantry changed to a bonus vs infantry
- x0.1 penalty vs heavy infantry added
- cav, heavy cav and hand cav flags added
- ranged resistance reduced to 20% (down from 30%)

Japan
- Samurai and Hatamoto Samurai can now pick up treasures

Ottomans
- the Ottoman Admiral of the Ocean sea politician to the Fortress age now delivers 1 monitor and 400 wood (up from 1 galley and 400 wood)

Portuguese
- TEAM Cheap Outposts card now reduces Outpost, Blockhouse, War Hut and Castle cost by 80% (up from 30%). Now also reduces their build time by 80%.
- Now also start with 2 free Outpost wagons (more starting stuff lol, their start looks insane :P)
- Organ gun description fixed


EDIT: oh forgot to mention: the Portuguese now get a new Fire Pit Dance in the Fortress age, the BrianManahan Dance, that spawns 1 Ninja and 1 Petard periodically. The more vills you have dancing, the faster you get ninjas and petards. A firepit with 25 vills dancing spawns 1 ninja and 1 petard every 14 seconds.
Edited by No_nickname, Aug 15 2010, 09:26 PM.
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OP Nick!

Although a monitor in age 3 sounds very OP ^^

EDIT: The fixed gun is available much earlier than the Imperial age.

And I was in the imperial age and I couldn't use the faster train dance anymore.

Edited by _Ha_Luke_331, Aug 16 2010, 03:06 AM.
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I removed the Fertility dance because it didn't work anyway. Must have forgotten to write that.
Monitor in age 3 might be a little OP lol, but we'll see :P

Fixed Gun should be in Imperial, guess I forgot to set an age for it :P
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