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TE FUNPATCH Modding/Discussion/Suggestion thread; Cool FP
Topic Started: Nov 11 2009, 11:07 AM (25,508 Views)
Mariomasta
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Also IMO for revolt dutch should be able to convert banks into flying dutchmen :P .
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giving ports an effective 12% total boost in eco (from eco theory) is incredibly lame tbh. That's not even considering the other eco boosts you were saying
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uhh 2% more than others is lame? and the rest i was only suggestion to boost by like 4-5. So thats basically out of every 100 res, you get 2 more. Whoopde fircken doo. Im sure thats OP right sunil?

Ask yourself this. Is it so OP that you would use it over CM every time?
Edited by Mariomasta, Jan 31 2010, 12:37 PM.
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It is indeed quite lame
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uhh 2% more than others is lame? and the rest i was only suggestion to boost by like 4-5. So thats basically out of every 100 res, you get 2 more. Whoopde fircken doo. Im sure thats OP right sunil?

Ask yourself this. Is it so OP that you would use it over CM every time?
not necessarily early game, but late game that can make a difference.

And it's constantly giving you more so for every 200 you get 4 more, for every 1000 you get 20 more
Edited by SunnyDeeeee, Jan 31 2010, 12:57 PM.
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hmmm instead of having every civ use the same "planes" why not convert the japanese ships to planes for asians? those ships look badass no? For the natives, give them chinese ships instead cause if i remember correctly, native ships all shoot arrows and the chinese ships are unique from the euros. This way not every civ will be making the same "planes." This game isn't call Age of Conformity III :P
Yeah I would like to see more unique ships as well. But these will have to be discussed on this forum ;)
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I think the France BB now cost too much no? 3k resource for only 10% is a rip off to me.
They get +1 AoE as well.
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Also, no news on the church grenadier for France? the first grenadier "research" isn't researchable a 2nd time after all 3 are research.
Whoops sorry, I forgot that one :P
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Might i suggest a SLIGHT decrease to how much rocket BB cost? Since it aoe is cut by half and damage is also cut by half. Probably a 250 resource less or 500.
Yeah maybe. Although since it is in Imperial and for the British I don't think you should have much problem getting it anyway ;)
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The travois seem sucky now... It lose 50 attack, 1 speed, .2 RR, and 4 aoe. From the looks of it, it will basically die before it even reach any units unless it is an army of all melee or only a few range since it is that much slower and is more vulnerable to range. Also, with the lost of 50 attack AND 4 aoe it can't be called mini trucks anymore. Might i suggest an increase in speed by .5 or 1 or an increase in RR by .1 instead of decreasing it? To make them somewhat useful as they will be able to reach the enemy before getting slaughter. The decrease in aoe make their kill range smaller, making them having to move that much closer to enemy before they start getting hurt.
Do you have any idea how insanely OP these things were? Hopefully they will be balanced now, but thats what I thought after every time I nerfed them.
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maybe let some civ be able to train nitropetards :P
Maybe we could give them to the Germans and enable stealth for them. I think the Germans were supposed to get stealth petards anyway, but nobody ever managed to make this only for the Germans :P
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until nickname attacked my OG army with 20 spahi :(
Actually it was around 35 :P

@ Mario: Ports are already OP :P
Maybe we could give some eco bonuses to some of the weaker civs though? Anyone know what civs are UP now? :P
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Btw guise, IMO since this was a pretty major update, we should enable it for the patch launcher so we can do an OP FFA with flying ships today at 20 pm (in approx one hour 15 mins from now) :D
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lol quite big post :P
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What is the difference between regular petards and nitropetards?

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@ Nick: maybe we can make eco cards civ specific? Germans and dutch get gold eco boosts. Brits, iro, China get boosted food. Spain, india and otto get wood. Ports get eco theory boost. Sioux hunting cards get boosted. Aztec farms and plantations boosted.

Im just curious does anyone actually use eco cards now? Just want to prove my point .
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@velium Just what you know nitroglycerin does. make a big boom bigger :)
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Yeah, Nitopetards have more HP (like 700 lol) and do like 4500 damage (as opposed to petards doing 2000 damage).

@Mario: I like the idea, but I think it will promote boomfests, and that does not fill the "fun" part of funpatch :P

Btw I gave Sioux OP livestock in my update so I don't think their food gathering should be a problem :P
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boomfests??? not really :P. Just increasing the respective cards by like 5% each is not a boomfest, but w/e. And its only for 1 res so harder to boom, however ports wil be quite nice boomers with their card, but they only get 1 eco card compared to the 3 or so cards of other civs. Idk? maybe a test or something, see how lame it really is?
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I'm not sure what occur to make this happen but once in a while, i notice that the minimap conceal all enemy ai buildings that has been previously sighted. Like i made a balloon to explorer the map and spot some enemy building. and on the minimap those buildings appear as the enemy color. Sometimes after a while, those colors disappear from the minimap. In addition, tradingpost locations disappear as well. I notice there was a trading post near the enemy, then after a while i loook at the minimap and it is gone. It will reappear on the minimap when i get units near it.
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I've changed trample damage so that it doesn't affect the unit itself.

But it might be quite OP, because a unit can do more damage now. For example, a hussar normally does 30 attack with ROF 1.5, in trample mode they do 20 attack with 60 damagecap and ROF 2.0.

So in 6 seconds a hussar will normally do 4 x 30 = 120 damage.
With trample damage a hussar will do 3 x 60 = 180 damage.

Possible solutions:

  • Keep the self damaging aspect, but give cav a good bonus vs *LI in trample mode. That bonus won't affect the cav itself, so the cav will still get hurt, but the enemy even more (if the cav already has a bonus vs *LI they will get a higher bonus in trample) .
  • Remove the self damaging aspect, but nerf trample mode hard.

Don't answer too quickly without thinking (Mario), because it will be very hard to make it balanced. If trample mode > normal mode, than everybody would switch to trample. If normal mode > trample mode, than still nobody will use it. So we need to make it that normal mode > trample, with only a few exception situations.
Edited by _Ha_Luke_331, Feb 1 2010, 05:21 AM.
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I hate the self damaging thing; imo just nerf trample to 33% of original attack with a 1.5 bonus vs all inf. But obviously a bigger bonus for units like lancer, naginata,etc...
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The self damaging thing is no fun (funpatch, remember? ;) ). Remove it and nerf the damage output as necessary IMO.
Edited by No_nickname, Feb 1 2010, 09:48 AM.
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Ok in case of the hussar, how about a damage cap of 35. This will give them 3 x 35 = 105 damage in 6 seconds, against 120 damage in normal mode.

In trample mode, they get a multiplier of 1.25 against *LI. I think multipliers are applied after the damagecap is reached, so that would give them 105 x 1.25 = 131.25 damage against *LI in 6 seconds if they *LI is close together. This will make trample highly effective if you have a bunch of cav against only a group of *LI. Btw, speed is reduced by 0.5 in trample mode, so it will be harder to get away from counters.

What do you think?


EDIT: To get the difference between normal attack and damagecap for all the other cav we would use this multiplier: 5/30 + 1= 1.16667
So for example Uhlans would get a damagecap of 37 x 1.16667 = 43.1667
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I think it sounds quite decent.. won't be too op. The trample has bonus vs both HI and RI am i correct?
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Sounds good. But remember that Uhlans do like 45 damage or something now :P

@ sami: I dont think they get any special bonuses right now
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The trample has bonus vs both HI and RI am i correct?


It has nothing now, but it can be whatever we want :)

So would you think it's better if it's for all infantry, or for only *LI/RI?

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Sounds good. But remember that Uhlans do like 45 damage or something now


Forgot that already, lol.
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I think it should be vs all inf, this way trample can also be effective for units like spahi and cuir which already have splash. No change for lancer though, imo :P
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^^ lol that doesnt make any sense if lancers dont get bonus vs all inf :P
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I think it should be vs all inf, this way trample can also be effective for units like spahi and cuir which already have splash


If they get a bonus vs *LI it's effective for them.

The thing is, if trample gives a bonus against all inf, than people would always put their cav in trample once the battle starts. If they only have a bonus vs *LI, than people should have to think about whether or not to put their cav in trample mode. I also don't think cav should be better against HI.

But as always, I'm happy to be proven wrong :)
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ya, IMO just bonus vs *LI, dont want cav dominating HI because dat's happy IMO
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If we could actually turn this into a proper patch, people might even start playing it.. because tons of players see the huge cons of the FP...
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Thats the point :p. Its balanced, to a certain point. Just insane. I actually expect quite a few people may start playing when we introduce it. Perhaps also a nilla version of this may work too??? We need a nilla patch too imo
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Feb 1 2010, 03:37 PM
Thats the point :p. Its balanced, to a certain point. Just insane. I actually expect quite a few people may start playing when we introduce it. Perhaps also a nilla version of this may work too??? We need a nilla patch too imo
yes, you can make a nilla patch for us, however I don't believe you'll have any help in doing that *pig*
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no one wants to play vanilla lol
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thanks mate.... your the best
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well it's true
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Some suggestions:

Is it possible to set military unit gathering point for Daimyo and Shogun? It would be helpful since i find it kinda annoying to have like 10 units pop out of a daimyo and the daimyo get stuck there not being able to run away after creating units. I think it would be cool to like make the gathering point only in effect if the daimyo is standing still, and it is cancel when they start to move and you would have to set a new gathering point as you are making units.

Since most of the FanPatch stuff are related to units. How about increasing the hp of buildings or increasing their seige resist? And giving houses a very small attack? Like 2 seige damage with a range of 7?

Also how about decreasing the packing time of Euro artillary, this will allow them to run away from battle a bit better? they take a long time to unpack and pack compare to iroquois and Asian arts, which unpack/pack nearly instantly.

Also is it possible to give the starting TC only a perma attack without having to gather villagers to make them a bit more formidable against rushes. Like give it same range, same bonus but with a small attack. And that attack increase to original stat when villagers are gather in it.

Oh yeah, are manor house (brit) super resistance taken out? In the changelog it still say manor house are 100x better than walls, but in game they get raped like normal houses.

ps: *knight* <-- is that a donkey lol
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Attacking houses is iro specialty.

Also as I was suggesting before is it possible to make more melee cav that attack at a range, like meteor hammers? I was suggesting axe riders, but if this is not possible, perhaps other units??? I'd really like more of these.

Other things i would like to see.

India age 3 and 4 shipments should grant 2 villagers.

Spain should start with free gang saw like in new fanpatch.

Politicians that suck/underused should be boosted, almost stupid how they are always replaced by 400 wood. Few things i would suggest.

Age 1-2:
1. 2 villagers increased to 3, German 1 settler wagon politician increased to 2. 2. All 500 food politicians increased to 550-600 (used way less than wood atm). 3. Outpost/200 gold should also grant a boost of improved outpost attack by 20% (to help with turtle/FF). 4. 4 cows increased to 5-6, and livestock fatten 10% faster (to promote livestock booms).

Age 2-3: 1. 4 abus guns increased to 5 (no reason to use over 4 hussars atm) All the rest seem fine

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looks good but outpost and cows will still be useless
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what about giving the cow a OP lasr attack and set it limit to 5
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How are the outposts useless? pretty much only option for brits, and i often use it as ottos along with 400 wood (worth normally 450 res, with this even more, never been too bad so only small boost). I had a feeling however that the cows would still be useless. How bout 5 cows and a free livestock pen :0, that would be nice. Hmm idk if that would be OP lol, if it is maybe 4 cows...
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Hey guys if European civs are getting BBs, perhaps Asians should too? Idk


MY IDEA STOLEN U UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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What about Great Bombards get 500 range 100000 attack and 3310000 Splash damage but cost 10k of each resource?
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Great idea :0
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General
- Trample mode doesn't hurt the unit itself
- Cav gets a x1.25 vs infantry and x0.8 vs heavyInfantry in trample mode
- Asian cav multiplier become 2x and 0.5x

- Fusilier AutoHeal
- BR build limit set to 9
- Corsairs get x2 vs villager and 70 siege

- Petard x0.1 vs infantry, cavalry and artillery, x0.05 vs villagers

- Stop command added to moving buildings


China
- Disciple Critical chance down to 30%
- Disciple critical damage multiplier down to 15
- Disciple cost increased to 40 food


Port
- Port MM decay at 1/4 of the speed of a normal MM

Japan
- Yummy 5 speed

Otto
- Hoop throwers are trainable from saloon
- Hoop throwers bonus jans decreased to 1.5
- Hoop throwers x0.5 against abstractcav and abstractlightinfantry
- Hoop throwers hand attack decreased to 10


This will be in my next update (and no Sungrilled, I didn't forget the files, they will come)
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what about giving the cow a OP lasr attack and set it limit to 5
nah, but i think we could do something with fatting animals?
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Looks good, but:
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- Petard x0.1 vs infantry, cavalry and artillery, x0.05 vs villagers
Wtf? They will be useless vs. units now :(

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- Hoop throwers bonus jans decreased to 1.5
They keep the jan bonus? Shouldnt it be changed to HI? If not, jans will suck :(
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0.1 = 160 damage and a damage cap of 640 ;)

But I made a mistake, I actually changed it to 0.2 :P

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They keep the jan bonus? Shouldnt it be changed to HI? If not, jans will suck :(


Only ottos will get them :)

EDIT: About the petards, I couldn't play against a comp expert, because he will use a lot of petards. And if you can't kill one before it attacks, you are screwed. But it's just too hard to kill a lot of them before they attack.

I guess pure petard > any army
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0.1 = 160 damage and a damage cap of 640 ;)

But I made a mistake, I actually changed it to 0.2 :P
Oh ok then its fine :P

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Only ottos will get them :)
Oooh lol, I see. Didnt see the "otto" over it :P

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EDIT: About the petards, I couldn't play against a comp expert, because he will use a lot of petards. And if you can't kill one before it attacks, you are screwed. But it's just too hard to kill a lot of them before they attack.

I guess pure petard > any army


Well you need a lot of resources to spam petards, and the comp gets 100% handicap so it can technically get the resources twice as fast and train the petards twice as fast :P (or is it 50%?)

Was this before or after you added the penalties?

And yeah its wierd with the comps...
We change halberdiers to a meatshield unit. What happens? The comp spams pure halbs.
We change petards to be able to attack units as well. What happens? The comp spams halbs and petards.
We change spies to be a lot kewler. What happens? The comp always has maxed out 5 spies.

Seriously, I think the comp reads the patch notes :P :P
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Update time!

Februari 2nd update

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General
- Trample mode doesn't hurt the unit itself
- Cav gets a x1.25 vs infantry and x0.8 vs heavyInfantry in trample mode
- Asian cav multiplier become 2x and 0.5x

- Fusilier AutoHeal
- BR build limit set to 9
- Corsairs get x2 vs villager and 70 siege

- Petard x0.1 vs infantry, cavalry and artillery, x0.05 vs villagers

- Stop command added to moving buildings


China
- Disciple Critical chance down to 30%
- Disciple critical damage multiplier down to 15
- Disciple cost increased to 40 food


Port
- Port MM decay at 1/4 of the speed of a normal MM

Russia
- Melee Boneguards are trainable from saloon
- Melee Boneguards cost increade to 100 food, 50 gold
- Melee Boneguards hp decreased to 400

Spain
- Ranged Boneguards are trainable from church
- Ranged Boneguards cost increased to 120 food, 75 gold
- Ranged Boneguards made 2 pop
- Ranged Boneguards now have x2 against cav in melee

Japan
- Yummy 5 speed

Otto
- Hoop throwers are trainable from saloon
- Hoop throwers bonus jans decreased to 1.5
- Hoop throwers x0.5 against abstractcav and abstractlightinfantry
- Hoop throwers hand attack decreased to 10
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Feb 1 2010, 08:11 PM
How are the outposts useless? pretty much only option for brits, and i often use it as ottos along with 400 wood (worth normally 450 res, with this even more, never been too bad so only small boost). I had a feeling however that the cows would still be useless. How bout 5 cows and a free livestock pen :0, that would be nice. Hmm idk if that would be OP lol, if it is maybe 4 cows...
it's useless because no one would choose and outpost+ attack boost over 400 wood or 600 food
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btw can you boost melee boneguard's cav bonus? Because atm they are just meatshields and don't do much...
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Now that you think about it.. cav trample bonus vs LI sounds good, because hand cav as of now can be quite effective vs certain musketeer units.. I dont wanna see spanish revolt + unction trample hussar laming in the next patch ^^

trample would be OP coyote killer :) and hmm, there is a kind of nerf because the speed of cav in trample mode is lower than normal.
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coyotes won't be affected by trample bonus nub
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