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Topic Started: Jan 3 2010, 11:18 AM (1,305 Views)
Mariomasta
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Oh and speaking of dojos, can we actually boost them to usability???
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T_Cfc119
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what luke is trying to say is that idea wont work because there is no limit, because of thier OP hunting, they will easily overtake other civs in food production because they can gather food so quickly.
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mario, 8 buffalo @ 5 mins is completely useless because you won't be able to survive that long without building farms.
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So if you build farms, you build farms. Hell, some are saying its ridiculously OP, while dop claims its completely useless XD.

And to dop, 8 buffaloes or whatever is not meant to overtake building farms at all, just allow them to take advantage of there better hunting, cuz whats the point of having a better hunting rate when if they go anytime past 25-30 minutes, they end up sucking (I know of the 2 banks, but even so they need food much more than gold). I can recall dozens of FFAs that have gone past an hour, none of them (besides ivans TM which no1 took seriously) that a sioux player has one, and I can almost guarantee that is because of their terrible lategame food production and gold (which im no longer worried about gold of cuz of banks)
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Look Mario, the crowded thing was just an example of a side effect. It's just very hard to make it right. As I said with other suggestions about spawning bison, it's a very thin line between OP and UP.

Oh, and a better gold production means more food income, think about that ;)
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nub officer111
when i was sioux in a ffa i did alright :L i came thrid in one :L and I think that they need a boost in food and that delivering bison from a BB is the best idea
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Mariomasta
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mine XD yay a supporter

CFC you my new BFF
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nub officer111
even though i was kinda pissed at you :L but oh wells, i will remove you from my pests list :P
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Mariomasta
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lol i thought that wuz a joke XD
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nub officer111
lool you are on ym pest list atm lolololol
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Mariomasta
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btw how did a brit like you get that OP pic???? Do brits actually watch american football?
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How about a a BB that you can call multiple times so that you pay X gold or whatever and get your 15 bison or something?
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Mariomasta
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Hmm i like :P. 15 bison for 500 gold, sure there could end up being crowding with this, but that would be the fault of the player.
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15 bison for 500 gold can be extremely OP once sioux sends the hunting cards since they can eat those bison extremely fast.

Anyway I don't really like the bison spawn/BB idea that much TBH, i think sioux has enough changes *wink*
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_Ha_Luke_331
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Yep same here, Sioux has already a lot of changes. If we might feel bored, than the only thing we would add is CFC's idea, a one time BB for a x amount of bison. No repeat and no spawning.
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But then your still not addressing the main problem the existed in TAD FFA's/team games/treaty, after mojority of hunts were up, their food gathering was downright horrible (so was gold, but thats adressed).

How bout we make a BB for 15 bison once for 500 gold (available fort), and in return you get and infinite bison card, for maybe 18 bison available as replacement BB fort. Is there anyway we can make a BB unlock a shipment, which can be sent from HC??? Or make the BB cost a shipment? This way they can get constant food if they need it, and cannot be spammed.

Also hth increase existing buffalo shipments (excluding new one i suggested) a tad bit if you have the time. 7 for team, 10 for age 1 ship, 14 as first buffalo shipment colonial, 16 second one. These shipments should improve hunting gather rates by 5% each, team one increasing team gather rates. So they are a bit more useful, even on hunt plentiful maps, for protection from cav/improved rates. If you send all of the sioux hunting cards then, they boast a 55% hunt gather increase (65 with hunting dogs), while getting 47 buffalo. But then, that costs 6 shipments, so its not exactly OP, and impractical in most situations, just giving sioux a bit of a boost.
Edited by Mariomasta, Jan 8 2010, 07:38 AM.
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Mario, read my previous post. I will give one more response now.

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But then your still not addressing the main problem the existed in TAD FFA's/team games/treaty, after mojority of hunts were up, their food gathering was downright horrible (so was gold, but thats adressed).


If their gold income is boosted, their food income is also boosted. The vills you dont need on gold anymore, can be used on food.
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Jan 7 2010, 06:16 PM
btw how did a brit like you get that OP pic???? Do brits actually watch american football?
the magic of google *sword*
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How about making a new bison unit that fattens like a sheep. So you can buy them for food at your tepees or farms or something :P

Maybe make Sioux get bison instead of sheep, only that bison should be better than sheep.
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Mariomasta
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already discussed. and their warped vision says that its OP to buy more food with food. IDK ask them.
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nub officer111
he says make them trainable as units like sheep, your idea is to get a constant styream of bison which is uber OP if utilised properly
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Nahh i changed what i said to make the bb resendable... So yes you are paying to get x amount of bison. just like livestock, cept you get more for less cost
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I was thinking that they could be like cows...better than sheep lol.
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already discussed. and their warped vision says that its OP to buy more food with food


No, it's not discussed already.

You can buy a sheep/cow/goat/llama for a x-amount of food. When the animal is trained it's worth less food than it's cost. But if you wait long enough, you'll get a profit.

If you would buy a bison worth of 500 food, you could start hunting immediately and get the profit.

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I was thinking that they could be like cows...better than sheep lol.


Go ahead, do your thing ;)

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If you would buy a bison worth of 500 food, you could start hunting immediately and get the profit.


Uhh, you do know the reason why people use livestock outside native civs is for their increased hunting rate. Vils gather from them 5x faster or so. Then if your above comment is true, then hunting in general is OP as you are getting nothing for res, as natural bison are absolutely free. Thats an even better rate than what i proposed, but do you hear people complaining???

the card supplies 7500 food for 500 gold. While finding a hunt that size gives you the same food amount absolutely free. 7500 food for 500 gold does seem a bit allot, but then calculate vil seconds used to collect that. Compare the cost to time ratio on the difference of farms to the hunts, and yes, you do get a profit, but is it that much more??? no. I'm no longer endorsing this, but I just want you to understand that it really isnt OP
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but that food is raidable, can be contested and has to be herdeed/canm be herded to optimise foood income, whilst bison spawn at your TC dont run away and if you put one vill on each bison you effectively hav a non raidable eco
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This BB i was previously suggesting was for lategame, so they could have a better eco, and late game people seldom raid anyways.
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nub officer111
but late game is when they can sutain themselves on small amounts of food, wat you are suggesting is fueling a powerhouse for food which could be unstoppable, IMO its not worth doing, instead just hav a one time BB because then they will becvome too OP and they already have a multitude of different changes that hav made them more OP
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Mariomasta
Jan 13 2010, 04:41 PM
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If you would buy a bison worth of 500 food, you could start hunting immediately and get the profit.


Uhh, you do know the reason why people use livestock outside native civs is for their increased hunting rate. Vils gather from them 5x faster or so. Then if your above comment is true, then hunting in general is OP as you are getting nothing for res, as natural bison are absolutely free. Thats an even better rate than what i proposed, but do you hear people complaining???

the card supplies 7500 food for 500 gold. While finding a hunt that size gives you the same food amount absolutely free. 7500 food for 500 gold does seem a bit allot, but then calculate vil seconds used to collect that. Compare the cost to time ratio on the difference of farms to the hunts, and yes, you do get a profit, but is it that much more??? no. I'm no longer endorsing this, but I just want you to understand that it really isnt OP
well sioux vills can gather like 5x faster from bison than other vills so it's essentially the same thing
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Uhh, you do know the reason why people use livestock outside native civs is for their increased hunting rate. Vils gather from them 5x faster or so. Then if your above comment is true, then hunting in general is OP as you are getting nothing for res, as natural bison are absolutely free. Thats an even better rate than what i proposed, but do you hear people complaining???


Why do you think people fight for map control?

Why do you think people talk about map screw when someone has only 1 hunt while his opponent has like 4 hunts?


Look an one time tech (BB) could be ok, but a repeatable tech or spawing thing is just not going to happen.
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I dont care if it happens tbh, i said i no longer endorse it. It is not OP thats all I was proving
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