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| Topic Started: Aug 1 2011, 05:21 PM (831 Views) | |
| 99mangoes | Aug 1 2011, 05:21 PM Post #1 |
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| Ann Tara | Aug 5 2011, 06:02 PM Post #2 |
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FOX President says if FRINGE maintains current ratings, they'll be very happy. Doesn't expect a rise in ratings, probably due to the competition of two other genre shows in that hour in the fall. But seems to be saying if they keep the ratings they had last year, that will be considered a success. Scroll down a bit in this article to find the Fringe mention. |
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| 99mangoes | Aug 6 2011, 02:36 PM Post #3 |
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Interesting choice of words by JJ on not betraying the fans. |
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| Corona | Aug 6 2011, 05:05 PM Post #4 |
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That is how you do promotion. Then I was not freaked out by the ending of S3. JJ Abrams does make mistakes but he seems be more honest about them. An LJ friend pointed me to this. This how you do promotion Edited by Corona, Aug 6 2011, 05:11 PM.
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| psychadelicfur | Aug 6 2011, 09:15 PM Post #5 |
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Snap. I actually came here to post that quote and say that this is how you deal with fan worries over the fate of a lead character. Gamble should call Jackson and ask for some pointers. |
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| dragongirl | Aug 6 2011, 09:31 PM Post #6 |
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Couldn't agree more....it's obvious they actually care about their fans, and the reactions they get from them. They also clearly want to hold on to them, and are proving themselves to be worthy of their trust. I loved what they did at Comic Con...and it makes me feel a whole lot better for season 4.  All of which is pretty much the complete opposite to Supernatural and how they deal with their characters. Edited by dragongirl, Aug 6 2011, 09:33 PM.
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| Moerae3 | Aug 7 2011, 12:42 AM Post #7 |
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See, I look at what they say and what they do in Fringe, and cry foul. At least Supernatural & Gamble doesn't try and act like they care about Dean, then show that they don't in the writing. I actually think that the way that Fringe handles the Peter situation is worse. |
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| dragongirl | Aug 7 2011, 06:37 AM Post #8 |
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Well miles vary but before I watched season 3 I was worried that he was going to be practically discarded, thrown onto the sidelines since he wasn't in every episode like everyone else, and then I actually watched the season and he turned out to be (in my eyes anyway) one of the most important characters..if not the most important character on the show. Then when the fans became distressed that he was leaving because of the cliff hanger...instead of ignoring the fans and causing more torture and uncertainty they console them with these kind of press releases. Plus the video skit at Comic Con must have taken some time to do...why bother if they don't care about him? 
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| Arashi | Aug 7 2011, 06:58 AM Post #9 |
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Of course, I don't know how events will actually play out and I do admit the cliffhanger was a heavy blow. Not even so much in what they did but that the world(s) seemed too similar. Canonically Peter has been the impetus of some pretty big developments so I don't understand how they can take him out and still have them take place. Unless it's some mindbending time-travel-thing where he was still the impetus but has only been removed retroactively. My brain hurts just thinking about the logics of that. But I will give them this, they did play out his storyline with the machine. Even when for a moment it looked like replacement!Olivia to the rescue or his child being a perfect substitute or whatever, they didn't pull an Adam on a two year story for Peter. For that, I'll give them props. How things will be in the future for the character, I don't know. It is at least nice to hear that they bother to talk about the character and/or the actor and not simply pretend he doesn't exist. |
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| 99mangoes | Aug 7 2011, 07:58 AM Post #10 |
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Yeah I'm with DG on this one. Whether you liked the way Peter's arc ended last season or not, he was central to the story in a way that no other character was and he got to be proactive rather than just the symbolic centre. We certainly cannot say that about Dean, ever. Not even in season 4 where he finally got to share equal attention with Sam. Now I also don't know how this will play out next year and I doubt I'll have the patience to stick it out past one or two episodes without him, but Fringe's handling of the auidence's concerns are a million light years ahead of SPN's. The difference to me, and I have seen this on screen, is that the Fringe writers actually seem to care about giving all of their characters a role in the story, whereas SPN don't and never have. Sure they play lip service to the idea of it being about two brothers but at the end of the day, only one brother's journey really matters. Whereas all the three lead characters matter to the story as a whole and each of their POVs is treated with sympathy even when they have done very bad things. At least they have up until this point. |
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| Arashi | Aug 7 2011, 08:23 AM Post #11 |
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I think they realize something very simple: audience members will have favourites, to small degrees sometimes or to large ones. And the easiest way to make every viewer interested in the plot/mystery is to have every character engaged in it. Like this, each one can bring in the viewers from their end and there won't be that much chance for resentment and disinterest in other characters. After all, as a general rule I don't think fans are greedy as a starting point. When my favourites are served, I've never gone "but I ONLY want to see them, get those other characters offscreen". What SPN is doing is wanting to force ONE character as the favourite, come hell or high water. And either you watch for Sam or you can go fuck yourself. Not gonna work. |
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| Corona | Sep 6 2011, 04:06 PM Post #12 |
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Season 3 gag reel taptip Spoiler TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A72YekGDWto Edited by Corona, Sep 6 2011, 04:08 PM.
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| I.Jones | Sep 6 2011, 06:39 PM Post #13 |
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For what it's worth, I really liked Fringe's season finale. And as a largely casual viewer, I've never even considered that Peter or JJ was leaving the show after seeing it.
Edited by I.Jones, Sep 6 2011, 07:18 PM.
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| Corona | Sep 6 2011, 06:54 PM Post #14 |
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Ditto I.Jones. |
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| I.Jones | Sep 6 2011, 07:19 PM Post #15 |
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I totally agree. Too often I got the impression that the characters are simply means to an end (the plot) for (some of the) SPN writers. Funny enough, my problem with SPN's writing is the opposite - I think the show's writing for the mytharc lacked cohesiveness, and the show-runner lacked the skills and fortitude to stick to what little storyline he did have planned. From the YED to the psychic kids to the deal and the deals and demons and angels and vessels on and on, the mytharc writing has always hedged its bets and hopscotching from one thing to the next. I think it is a reflection in the show's lack of conviction in its center story, and I think the same lack of conviction affected the characters, too. More Sam than Dean, but only because JA is a far superior actor and he has the experience to keep Dean more consistent despite the writing intentions. I do agree that they seem to be stuck on the idea that JP/Sam is the main draw for the show for whatever reason, but I don't think the writing had done Sam any favour. What they have been doing for Sam so far is simply giving Sam any Dean characteristics/plots that fans seemed to react positively to, rather than writing him with any sort of internal consistency. To me, the writing for Sam has always played like they are insecure about him as a character (and by extension, JP as an actor.) Replying it here only because the quote's up thread. I'll move this to the writers' thread if anyone wants to follow up on it. Edited by I.Jones, Sep 6 2011, 07:38 PM.
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| Ann Tara | Sep 7 2011, 01:58 PM Post #16 |
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Onto happy stuff - like this gag reel, which was legitimately, IMO, a lot funnier and definitely more genuine than SPN's season sux gag reel was. Also, count me among those viewers who feel like all the characters get their due on this show, especially the three leads. And there NEVER is any question that there are three leads on this show - and every single one of them was allowed to play his/her part and be important to the end game. Then there are the secondary characters who have more to do and are clearly worth a lot more to the Fringe TPTB than Jensen/Dean is to SPN's hacks. I admit at first I was a little nervous that JJ wasn't coming back after the events in the finale. But within no more than a month I came across the first of inteviews by TPTB that stated emphatically that JJ was still contracted with the show, never fear. Then, of course, we've only gotten more and more acknowledgement/encouragement since then that Peter will have a distinct role to play - it just may be different from the one we were used to, and change is nerve-wracking, I grant you that. But let me tell you, I'd give my left tit for Jensen to be playing a role on a show where he was as crucial and important to TPTB as JJ/Peter is to Fringe. |
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| Ann Tara | Oct 27 2011, 08:33 AM Post #17 |
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Stupid World Series! New episode may be bumped on Friday due to rain delays earlier in the week. If tonight is Game 6, then I assume it's all dependent upon who wins tonight. Is the score 3-2? Edited by Ann Tara, Oct 27 2011, 08:34 AM.
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| Crowley_Gal | Oct 27 2011, 08:38 AM Post #18 |
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Yeah, if Texas wins tonight the series is over. |
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| Ann Tara | Oct 27 2011, 04:34 PM Post #19 |
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Goooooooooo Texas Rangers!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I'd like them to win not just because I want new Fringe tomorrow - but I do  - but also because they've never won the WS. And, more importantly, it would make Jensen so happy. 
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| kiki | Oct 28 2011, 06:00 AM Post #20 |
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So? Did they win? |
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