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Ghosts, Spirits, and Other Such Concepts
Topic Started: May 5 2012, 06:36 PM (650 Views)
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In traditional belief and fiction, a ghost is the soul or spirit of a deceased person or animal that can appear, in visible form or other manifestation, to the living. Descriptions of the apparition of ghosts vary widely from an invisible presence to translucent or barely visible wispy shapes, to realistic, life-like visions.


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The English word spirit (from Latin spiritus "breath") has many differing meanings and connotations, most of them relating to a non-corporeal substance contrasted with the material body. The spirit of a living thing usually refers to or explains its consciousness. The notions of a person's "spirit" and "soul" often also overlap, as both contrast with body and both are understood as surviving the bodily death in religion and occultism,[1] and "spirit" can also have the sense of "ghost", i.e. a manifestation of the spirit of a deceased person.


What do you guys think about the existence of ghosts, spirits, or souls?

Some possible discussion points:
If they exist, are they previous humans, or just another phenomena we're unsure of at the moment?
How do they come about?
What influence do they have over the world?
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This is a hard one.

I've heard many a story, and even encountered what I believe to be spirits, most being angry. But before hand, I was previewed some freaky videos of Ghosts and such, and was told of what this particular ghost looks like. So how much of it is paranoia, and how much is true?
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I dunno. As a kid, I've always felt as if ghosts existed.
I believed that there were "mean" ghosts and "nice" ghosts.
The mean ones were the one that like threw your precious china on the floor and the nice ones just wandered around the house doing nothing.
I felt the need to kick open doors when I entered a room just in case there was a ghost behind it.

I guess I still believe they exist, as invisible bodies with their previous owner's soul or something.
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May 5 2012, 06:44 PM
I dunno. As a kid, I've always felt as if ghosts existed.
I believed that there were "mean" ghosts and "nice" ghosts.
The mean ones were the one that like threw your precious china on the floor and the nice ones just wandered around the house doing nothing.
I felt the need to kick open doors when I entered a room just in case there was a ghost behind it.

I guess I still believe they exist, as invisible bodies with their previous owner's soul or something.
Just curious, did you ever have anything like the china example happen before?
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May 5 2012, 06:44 PM
I dunno. As a kid, I've always felt as if ghosts existed.
I believed that there were "mean" ghosts and "nice" ghosts.
The mean ones were the one that like threw your precious china on the floor and the nice ones just wandered around the house doing nothing.
I felt the need to kick open doors when I entered a room just in case there was a ghost behind it.

I guess I still believe they exist, as invisible bodies with their previous owner's soul or something.
Just curious, did you ever have anything like the china example happen before?
Nah, but I've felt as if the objects in my room had shifted around before. That has happened a lot actually. I always blamed the ghosts.
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Baconboy
May 5 2012, 06:44 PM
I dunno. As a kid, I've always felt as if ghosts existed.
I believed that there were "mean" ghosts and "nice" ghosts.
The mean ones were the one that like threw your precious china on the floor and the nice ones just wandered around the house doing nothing.
I felt the need to kick open doors when I entered a room just in case there was a ghost behind it.

I guess I still believe they exist, as invisible bodies with their previous owner's soul or something.
I kind of know what you mean.

As a kid, I would literally make an effort to try and scare myself to submission. It was just my way of getting over fear, ironically enough. I would imagine terrible demons and ghosts looming in the dark, prepared to torture me in my dreams and inflict pain to my family.

After imagining the worst possible situations in my mind, I desensitized myself to things I feared.

But getting back on topic, as a kid, I certainly thought ghosts existed and lived among us. Which opens the questions to a possible afterlife, which what began my ability to "philosophical thought". You could say that they made me who I am today. But I digress.
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I believe that the fact that some see family may just be a vision. However, for the people who see people they've never met before, that remains a mystery to me. I believe that anything is possible in a world that we have not discovered everything about. However, I will not blindly follow one theory just because it may be, or it makes sense. I would enjoy some concrete evidence. But, I still have not seen evidence to back up the existence of paranormal spirits, monsters, etc. It may be possible it just an illusion, or that we really may be bound here even after death. If that were the case, how come there aren't a bunch of ghosts appearing. Think about it, if only souls that still need to do something, or have unfinished business become ghosts. That's still a very big chunk of the population, considering people have been dead, and die everyday. So, with all those ghosts wandering around, a good chunk would most likely want to be seen, or be seen more often. Even if not all want to be seen, chances are a majority will want to. So, that doesn't explain that. That's my take on the Supernatural. Not impossible, but very improbable.
Another thing is, you can't know who is being truthful or not. It's kind of like that "I saw Bigfoot" line that everyone says. You can't really prove it, but can't disprove either. Now, it's much easier to disprove Bigfoot than ghosts, but it's just an example.
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May 5 2012, 07:09 PM
I believe that the fact that some see family may just be a vision. However, for the people who see people they've never met before, that remains a mystery to me. I believe that anything is possible in a world that we have not discovered everything about. However, I will not blindly follow one theory just because it may be, or it makes sense. I would enjoy some concrete evidence. But, I still have not seen evidence to back up the existence of paranormal spirits, monsters, etc. It may be possible it just an illusion, or that we really may be bound here even after death. If that were the case, how come there aren't a bunch of ghosts appearing. Think about it, if only souls that still need to do something, or have unfinished business become ghosts. That's still a very big chunk of the population, considering people have been dead, and die everyday. So, with all those ghosts wandering around, a good chunk would most likely want to be seen, or be seen more often. Even if not all want to be seen, chances are a majority will want to. So, that doesn't explain that. That's my take on the Supernatural. Not impossible, but very improbable.
Another thing is, you can't know who is being truthful or not. It's kind of like that "I saw Bigfoot" line that everyone says. You can't really prove it, but can't disprove either. Now, it's much easier to disprove Bigfoot than ghosts, but it's just an example.
That's what is so scary about stuff like this. No one really knows of their existence, and no one can prove either argument. And you're good not to follow something blindly. But ghosts and spirits have been a part of human culture for a very long time, and it's hard to believe that every society would come up with a similar concept by chance.

Has anyone ever heard the tale of Jack?
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May 5 2012, 07:59 PM
January
May 5 2012, 07:09 PM
I believe that the fact that some see family may just be a vision. However, for the people who see people they've never met before, that remains a mystery to me. I believe that anything is possible in a world that we have not discovered everything about. However, I will not blindly follow one theory just because it may be, or it makes sense. I would enjoy some concrete evidence. But, I still have not seen evidence to back up the existence of paranormal spirits, monsters, etc. It may be possible it just an illusion, or that we really may be bound here even after death. If that were the case, how come there aren't a bunch of ghosts appearing. Think about it, if only souls that still need to do something, or have unfinished business become ghosts. That's still a very big chunk of the population, considering people have been dead, and die everyday. So, with all those ghosts wandering around, a good chunk would most likely want to be seen, or be seen more often. Even if not all want to be seen, chances are a majority will want to. So, that doesn't explain that. That's my take on the Supernatural. Not impossible, but very improbable.
Another thing is, you can't know who is being truthful or not. It's kind of like that "I saw Bigfoot" line that everyone says. You can't really prove it, but can't disprove either. Now, it's much easier to disprove Bigfoot than ghosts, but it's just an example.
That's what is so scary about stuff like this. No one really knows of their existence, and no one can prove either argument. And you're good not to follow something blindly. But ghosts and spirits have been a part of human culture for a very long time, and it's hard to believe that every society would come up with a similar concept by chance.

Has anyone ever heard the tale of Jack?
Nope, what's the tale? I'm curious.
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May 5 2012, 07:09 PM
I believe that the fact that some see family may just be a vision. However, for the people who see people they've never met before, that remains a mystery to me. I believe that anything is possible in a world that we have not discovered everything about. However, I will not blindly follow one theory just because it may be, or it makes sense. I would enjoy some concrete evidence. But, I still have not seen evidence to back up the existence of paranormal spirits, monsters, etc. It may be possible it just an illusion, or that we really may be bound here even after death. If that were the case, how come there aren't a bunch of ghosts appearing. Think about it, if only souls that still need to do something, or have unfinished business become ghosts. That's still a very big chunk of the population, considering people have been dead, and die everyday. So, with all those ghosts wandering around, a good chunk would most likely want to be seen, or be seen more often. Even if not all want to be seen, chances are a majority will want to. So, that doesn't explain that. That's my take on the Supernatural. Not impossible, but very improbable.
Another thing is, you can't know who is being truthful or not. It's kind of like that "I saw Bigfoot" line that everyone says. You can't really prove it, but can't disprove either. Now, it's much easier to disprove Bigfoot than ghosts, but it's just an example.
That's what is so scary about stuff like this. No one really knows of their existence, and no one can prove either argument. And you're good not to follow something blindly. But ghosts and spirits have been a part of human culture for a very long time, and it's hard to believe that every society would come up with a similar concept by chance.

Has anyone ever heard the tale of Jack?
Nope, what's the tale? I'm curious.
It's basically the myth surrounding the Jack O'lantern, and Halloween in general.

"Stingy Jack." According to the story, Stingy Jack, an Irish blacksmith and notorious drunk, had the great misfortune to run into the Devil in a pub. Jack invited the Devil to have a drink with him. True to his name, Stingy Jack didn't want to pay for his drink, so he convinced the Devil to turn himself into a sixpence that Jack could use to buy their drinks in exchange for Jack's soul. Once the Devil did so, Jack decided to keep the money and put it into his pocket next to a silver cross, which prevented the Devil from changing back into his original form. Jack eventually freed the Devil, under the condition that he would not bother Jack and not try to claim his soul for ten years. When the ten years had passed, Jack ran into the Devil as he walked down a country road. The Devil was anxious to claim what was due but Jack stalled. Jack thought quickly and said to the devil. "I'll go, but before I go, will you get me an apple from that tree?" The Devil thinking he had nothing to lose climbed the tree as Jack pointed to the choicest apple. Perturbed, the Devil climbed high into the tree after the apple Jack selected. When he was high up in the tree, Jack carved a sign of the cross into the tree's bark so that the Devil could not come down. Jack, very proud of himself made the Devil promise to never again ask him for his soul. Seeing no other choice the Devil reluctantly agreed.

Soon after, Jack died. As the legend goes, God would not allow such an unsavory figure into heaven. The Devil, upset by the trick Jack had played on him and keeping his word not to claim his soul, would not allow Jack into hell. Being unable to go to heaven or hell Jack asked the Devil where he should go. The Devil only replied, "Back where you came from!" The way back was very dark so Jack begged the Devil to at least give him a light to find his way. The Devil tossed Jack burning coal from the fire of hell to light his way. Jack put the coal into a carved-out turnip and has been roaming the Earth with ever since. The Irish began to refer to this ghostly figure as "Jack of the Lantern," and then, simply "Jack O'Lantern." Today we commonly spell it jack-o-lantern or jack-o'-lantern.

In Ireland and Scotland, people believed that spirits and ghosts could enter their world on Halloween. These spirits and ghosts would be attracted to the comforts of their earthly lives. People not wanting to be visited by these ghosts would set food and treats out to appease the roaming spirits and began to make their own versions of Jack's lanterns by carving scary faces into turnips or potatoes and placing them into windows or near doors to frighten away Stingy Jack and other wandering evil spirits. In England, large beets are used. Immigrants from these countries brought the jack-o'-lantern tradition with them when they came to the United States. They soon found that pumpkins, a fruit native to America, make perfect jack-o'-lanterns. They were softer and easier to carve than the turnips and potatoes of their homeland.



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