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The nature of evil
Topic Started: Mar 9 2012, 06:00 PM (886 Views)
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Sarchabid
Mar 10 2012, 02:47 PM
Sure, our morals are different, but would there be some sort of ultimate evil? Something like mutilating dead bodies of children? Surely that cannot be good in any sort.

Also, @Mirage, if it ever does become possible to revive the dead, wouldn't murder eventually cease to exist?
For the idea of an "ultimate evil", you suggest that some acts cannot be good in any sort and are therefore evil.
What exactly decides the objective "goodness" of an action?
Isn't it arbitrary to assign labels of "good" and "evil" onto acts such as the mutilation example?
Sure, I don't agree that it would be good at all to perform such an act, but where's the evilness of it?
Is it evil because society tells us it's evil? If so, it can only be subjectively evil.

As for your second point, the revival scenario is hypothetical. Think of it as a thought experiment that explores what exactly makes acts such as murder viewed as so inherently unacceptable.

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Mirage2777
Mar 10 2012, 02:58 PM
For the idea of an "ultimate evil", you suggest that some acts cannot be good in any sort and are therefore evil.
What exactly decides the objective "goodness" of an action?
Isn't it arbitrary to assign labels of "good" and "evil" onto acts such as the mutilation example?
Sure, I don't agree that it would be good at all to perform such an act, but where's the evilness of it?
Is it evil because society tells us it's evil? If so, it can only be subjectively evil.

As for your second point, the revival scenario is hypothetical. Think of it as a thought experiment that explores what exactly makes acts such as murder viewed as so inherently unacceptable.

do you talk like this in real life?
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Mar 10 2012, 03:54 PM
Mirage2777
Mar 10 2012, 02:58 PM
For the idea of an "ultimate evil", you suggest that some acts cannot be good in any sort and are therefore evil.
What exactly decides the objective "goodness" of an action?
Isn't it arbitrary to assign labels of "good" and "evil" onto acts such as the mutilation example?
Sure, I don't agree that it would be good at all to perform such an act, but where's the evilness of it?
Is it evil because society tells us it's evil? If so, it can only be subjectively evil.

As for your second point, the revival scenario is hypothetical. Think of it as a thought experiment that explores what exactly makes acts such as murder viewed as so inherently unacceptable.

do you talk like this in real life?
Depends on what you mean by "like this". If it's a simple conversation, then I'll give a simple response.
If the conversation calls for something more, I'll use a bit more as well.
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Good things often come at a price. If you're talking about Hitler, he killed millions of a certain group, in such a cruel manner it's unfathomable. But at the same time, He revived an entire nation both economically and politically. Working almost literally from the ground up, he was able to start a second world war. He made Germany from near death to an arguable superpower. Stalin was the same way. He took a peasant nation into a superpower, one that could contend or even beat the U.S in it's prime. He killed even more people than Hitler did, but he was still revered by people because of the immense changes that prospered the nation as a whole.
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Mar 31 2012, 07:57 PM
Good things often come at a price. If you're talking about Hitler, he killed millions of a certain group, in such a cruel manner it's unfathomable. But at the same time, He revived an entire nation both economically and politically. Working almost literally from the ground up, he was able to start a second world war. He made Germany from near death to an arguable superpower. Stalin was the same way. He took a peasant nation into a superpower, one that could contend or even beat the U.S in it's prime. He killed even more people than Hitler did, but he was still revered by people because of the immense changes that prospered the nation as a whole.
I think it was more Lenin than Stalin.
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Mar 31 2012, 07:57 PM
Good things often come at a price. If you're talking about Hitler, he killed millions of a certain group, in such a cruel manner it's unfathomable. But at the same time, He revived an entire nation both economically and politically. Working almost literally from the ground up, he was able to start a second world war. He made Germany from near death to an arguable superpower. Stalin was the same way. He took a peasant nation into a superpower, one that could contend or even beat the U.S in it's prime. He killed even more people than Hitler did, but he was still revered by people because of the immense changes that prospered the nation as a whole.
I think it was more Lenin than Stalin.
Lenin did bring Communism to Russia, but Stalin turned it into a superpower. He built a shit ton of Factories, by robbing people of food. He starved the ukrainians nearly to death.
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