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Motion: Condemn Cremorne; any advice please
Topic Started: Feb 19 2010, 01:03 AM (903 Views)
Bogans and Boozers

I would like to put forward a motion to condemn Cremorne (the founder of the region of Australia), and would value any advice as to whether this is a worthwhile cause.

This condemnation is based on the following acts committed by the founder:

1. Constantly undermining the authority of the WA delegate through acts of cross-regional trolling and grievances.

2. Use of puppet nations to defame and cause trolling and grievances against the WA delegate.

3. Abusing confidentiality to defame and harrass one particular WA delegate (name with-held) by spreading abusive rumours on the online forums, as well as in real life.

4. Use of founder authority powers to undermine the WA delegate's authority in acting against trollers/spammers, by reactivating his own nation (which had been dormant for the majority of the year) just to intervene in a matter in an inappropriate fashion.

5. Use of puppet nations to impersonate other people on NationStates

6. Causing grievances through private forums and private messaging on the off-site forums

7. Causing grievances and trolling on off-site forums

8. Threatening to destroy off-site forums

9. Hi-jacking former user's off-site forums account to impersonate other users

10. Providing misleading information in order to gain access to age restricted webpages


A report that covers some of Cremorne's activites can be found in this thread (written when I was Australia's ambassador to Equilism):
http://www.equilism.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=4590&st=40

Any advice on this motion, and the phrasing of the motion, would be appreciated.

PS: I used to be a member of Australia, until I went into exile in England (where my nation currently resides)

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I've heard a bit about the problems with him, and from what I've seen, this resolution would be appropriate. I'll have suggestions in a day or two.
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Feb 19 2010, 01:03 AM
1. Constantly undermining the authority of the WA delegate through acts of cross-regional trolling and grievances.

2. Use of puppet nations to defame and cause trolling and grievances against the WA delegate.
Not entirely sure if you can include that - certainly if its not been dealt with by the mods before, then allegations of rule-breaking are probably illegal.

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3. Abusing confidentiality to defame and harrass one particular WA delegate (name with-held) by spreading abusive rumours on the online forums, as well as in real life.


An unsubstantiated argument is probably not worth including, as it'll just become a flash-point for the debate. Also, mention of 'real life' is probably illegal - just mentioning the abusive rumours (and probably providing details in the resolution thread) would be better.

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4. Use of founder authority powers to undermine the WA delegate's authority in acting against trollers/spammers, by reactivating his own nation (which had been dormant for the majority of the year) just to intervene in a matter in an inappropriate fashion.


Seems fair enough - though will have to be re-worded (more on that later, when you're looking to put this in resolution format).

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5. Use of puppet nations to impersonate other people on NationStates


See above response regarding mentioning illegal activities.

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6. Causing grievances through private forums and private messaging on the off-site forums

7. Causing grievances and trolling on off-site forums

8. Threatening to destroy off-site forums

9. Hi-jacking former user's off-site forums account to impersonate other users


All seem like good reasons, though you will get people saying that off-site problems are not the concern of the WA.

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10. Providing misleading information in order to gain access to age restricted webpages


Again, might be an RL reference - the rules aren't really clear on that. I think you can mention forums (the mods deliberately haven't made a ruling on that), but other RL references might be out.
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Hi, could you provide the resolution text of your condemnation? That would help us, help you.

If you're unfamiliar with the format for writing a condemnation, I would check out here and here.
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Condemn Cremorne

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Cremorne | Proposed by: Bogans and Boozers

Description:

RECOGNISING that through the authority of founder of a region comes the responsibility to act and deal with all regional situations in a diplomatic, statesman-like fashion.

ACKNOWLEDGING that Cremorne was nominated and accepted the position of founder of Australia, with the knowledge of accepting all responsibilities required by the position of regional founder.

UNDERSTANDING that Cremorne has acted and dealt with situations within the region and its off-site forum in a manner unbefitting the position of regional founder.

ACCEPTING the fact that Cremorne has deliberately abused founder authority to intervene in the natural course of regional politics, to undermine the authority of WA delegate.

ACCEPTING the fact that Cremorne has deliberately abused off-site forum administrator authority to:
1) hi-jack various accounts to impersonate other members
2) cause grievances and trolling within public threads and private messaging
3) threaten to destroy forums

CONDEMNING Cremorne officially recognises the WA Assembly’s disapproval and dismay of this nation’s actions and leadership as a regional founder.


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I like it as it is.
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-Change all periods, with the exception of the last clause, to a semi-colon or a comma. (your choice).
-Start with "The Security Council, " as your first line.
- I think you mean "RECOGNISING that with the authority of founder of a region" instead of 'through'.

I like the draft, but does the World Assembly have the right to intrude on founders? Was the founder appointed by some sort of mechanism of influence like a re-found?

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Well the WA can't do anything which actually affects founders, but it can surely express its disapproval of them? I know its not like WA Delegates who mis-use their power, as the WA clearly has a right to comment on their behaviour, but I don't see condemning irresponsible founders as an issue - ultimately their ability to do as they want is not affected.
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Feb 21 2010, 12:54 AM
Hi, could you provide the resolution text of your condemnation? That would help us, help you.

If you're unfamiliar with the format for writing a condemnation, I would check out here and here.
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Condemn Cremorne
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Cremorne | Proposed by: Bogans and Boozers

Description:

RECOGNISING that with the authority of founder of a region comes the responsibility to act and deal with all regional situations in a diplomatic, statesman-like fashion,

ACKNOWLEDGING that Cremorne was nominated and accepted the position of founder of Australia, with the knowledge of accepting all responsibilities required by the position of regional founder,

UNDERSTANDING that Cremorne has acted and dealt with situations within the region and its off-site forum in a manner unbefitting the position of regional founder,

ACCEPTING the fact that Cremorne has deliberately abused founder authority to intervene in the natural course of regional politics, to undermine the authority of WA delegate,

ACCEPTING the fact that Cremorne has deliberately abused off-site forum administrator authority to:
1) hi-jack various accounts to impersonate other members
2) cause grievances and trolling within public threads and private messaging
3) threaten to destroy forums

CONDEMNING Cremorne officially recognises the WA Assembly’s disapproval and dismay of this nation’s actions and leadership as a regional founder.
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Feb 27 2010, 03:21 AM
-Change all periods, with the exception of the last clause, to a semi-colon or a comma. (your choice).
-Start with "The Security Council, " as your first line.
- I think you mean "RECOGNISING that with the authority of founder of a region" instead of 'through'.

I like the draft, but does the World Assembly have the right to intrude on founders? Was the founder appointed by some sort of mechanism of influence like a re-found?

To answer the appointment question:

Cremorne was nominated and endorsed as our choice of founder, when the position of founder was first created on NationStates back in the early days (which he accepted). After that point, the founder was the person (nation) who created the region.

What is the next stage for this motion, from here on the draft floor (to where)?
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