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[DRAFT] Liberate Eastern Islands
Topic Started: Dec 30 2009, 01:19 AM (1,346 Views)
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Posted Image Liberate Eastern Islands

Category: Liberation Nominee (Region): Eastern Islands Proposed by: Unibot

The Security Council,

ALARMED by the invasion of Eastern Islands by Raid R Us, on Dec 29 2009;

DISTURBED by Raid R Us's usage of a password to raid the region, to which the invaders gloated in the World Factbook Entry by suggesting "[the] region will sit and rot till the end of time, in the name of FREEDOM!!";

ASCERTAINING that the region would be safer if it were free from the hands of those who would make such bold statements against the future activity of the region;

STRONGLY BELIEVING that passwords should not be used as tools of community destruction;

FEARING that Raid R Us will be correct in their prediction without a liberation from the Security Council;

HEREBY LIBERATING Eastern Islands, to remove the password and prevent the delegate from implementing a password in the perceivable future;



Ah, this is all I got so far without sounding like a prick. :D
Edited by unibot, Dec 30 2009, 01:56 AM.
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Have you tried contacting the founder nation? If he registered on a forum at any point in time, then you can get hold of his email address. I'd suggest that as a first recourse. Obviously if it fails, given that the region is already passworded, then a liberation resolution is the next option. I presume you can get the natives of the region to speak in favour of this?

With regards to the actual draft you have, I don't really like the use of the word 'certain'... and it sounds even worse when you say 'further certain'. Also, suggesting that passwords are a 'tool of community destruction' is wrong, since they do have legitimate uses.
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Dec 30 2009, 01:34 AM
Have you tried contacting the founder nation? If he registered on a forum at any point in time, then you can get hold of his email address. I'd suggest that as a first recourse. Obviously if it fails, given that the region is already passworded, then a liberation resolution is the next option. I presume you can get the natives of the region to speak in favour of this?

With regards to the actual draft you have, I don't really like the use of the word 'certain'... and it sounds even worse when you say 'further certain'. Also, suggesting that passwords are a 'tool of community destruction' is wrong, since they do have legitimate uses.
The founder is an old friend, an old high school friend, with apparently a new email address. And I only know of one active native in the region, he'll support a liberation.

I'll make those revisions, Sedge.
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Dec 30 2009, 01:58 AM
NOTING that Unibot was asleep...
Valid, but possibly won't fly with the delegates. :D
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This isn't liberating a region for the sake of helping a damaged community. This is liberating a region as retaliation for a personal attack. As much as I like you, Unibot, I can't support the use of the WA as a tool in your private NationStates career.

The region is dead -

Sabresnation IV - the only WA nation existing there besides a raider is seriously inactive. His last activity was 20 days ago, and before that 38 days ago, then 41 days ago.

Aigles only arrived 5 days ago after being refounded for the second time within a short time span.

Exactly 4 nations ceased to exist today.

This is "Piss with the Wind's" record of activity as of today:
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6 days ago: Following new legislation in Piss with the Wind, college students make ends meet by selling their kidneys.
6 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from Lazarus to Eastern Islands.
6 days ago: Piss with the Wind was refounded.
6 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from The Eastern Islands of Dharma to Lazarus.
41 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from Lazarus to The Eastern Islands of Dharma.
41 days ago: Piss with the Wind was refounded.
41 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from The Eastern Islands of Dharma to Lazarus.
77 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from Lazarus to The Eastern Islands of Dharma.
77 days ago: Piss with the Wind was refounded.
77 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from Lazarus to Lazarus.


The final members, Steelershockey, was last active all of 25 days ago.

There's no real surviving community there. I've supported "Liberate Utopia" - The fight there was legitimate. There were active natives, and the raiders attacked to gain the region as a trophy. The natives were being abused to the extent of the raiders breaking the rules.

However, this raid was simply an attack by a group of raiders who were, understandably, not Unibot fans (as you've been a leading voice regarding liberations as of late), and who wanted only to piss you off with their actions.

We all have to take a slap in the face every once in a while and accept that there's no way to retaliate. It may not be pleasant, however it is sometimes necessary.

Anyway, the point is - this is personal business. It isn't going to help out a community.
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Or even:

AWARE that sedge noted the invasion, but called off a liberation attempt to allow him time to contact Unibot;

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Dec 30 2009, 02:00 AM
This isn't liberating a region for the sake of helping a damaged community. This is liberating a region as retaliation for a personal attack. As much as I like you, Unibot, I can't support the use of the WA as a tool in your private NationStates career.

The region is dead -

Sabresnation IV - the only WA nation existing there besides a raider is seriously inactive. His last activity was 20 days ago, and before that 38 days ago, then 41 days ago.

Aigles only arrived 5 days ago after being refounded for the second time within a short time span.

Exactly 4 nations ceased to exist today.

This is "Piss with the Wind's" record of activity as of today:
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6 days ago: Following new legislation in Piss with the Wind, college students make ends meet by selling their kidneys.
6 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from Lazarus to Eastern Islands.
6 days ago: Piss with the Wind was refounded.
6 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from The Eastern Islands of Dharma to Lazarus.
41 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from Lazarus to The Eastern Islands of Dharma.
41 days ago: Piss with the Wind was refounded.
41 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from The Eastern Islands of Dharma to Lazarus.
77 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from Lazarus to The Eastern Islands of Dharma.
77 days ago: Piss with the Wind was refounded.
77 days ago: Piss with the Wind relocated from Lazarus to Lazarus.


The final members, Steelershockey, was last active all of 25 days ago.

There's no real surviving community there. I've supported "Liberate Utopia" - The fight there was legitimate. There were active natives, and the raiders attacked to gain the region as a trophy. The natives were being abused to the extent of the raiders breaking the rules.

However, this raid was simply an attack by a group of raiders who were, understandably, not Unibot fans (as you've been a leading voice regarding liberations as of late), and who wanted only to piss you off with their actions.

We all have to take a slap in the face every once in a while and accept that there's no way to retaliate. It may not be pleasant, however it is sometimes necessary.

Anyway, the point is - this is personal business. It isn't going to help out a community.
Excluding Aigles, the others are old timers of Eastern Islands from 2003. They're inactive, but they came back about two months to reclaim the region, we've been letting them sort of share the region. Now when they come back from inactivity, what will they find? Oh, yeah, Unibot pissed off some guys and got our region passworded. Great. :-/
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Well, if the current residents don't get deleted due to inactivity, they'll probably be allowed to stay where they are. The raiders don't seem to be in any hurry to ban people from the region - as they say, they want it to "rot." It's been doing a rather fine job of that without their help. The region members don't seem to be very motivated to expand the region, so it doesn't really matter whether it's passworded or not.

If they're inactive enough to CTE then re-found every other month, what's the point of them even moving to the region? I really don't think there's a motivated, close community that will be damaged by the raid.

If you can contact your high school friend and have him re-found, you won't need the liberation anyway. If not, just found a new region for them to sit around in.
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Dec 30 2009, 02:14 AM
Well, if the current residents don't get deleted due to inactivity, they'll probably be allowed to stay where they are. The raiders don't seem to be in any hurry to ban people from the region - as they say, they want it to "rot." It's been doing a rather fine job of that without their help. The region members don't seem to be very motivated to expand the region, so it doesn't really matter whether it's passworded or not.

If they're inactive enough to CTE then re-found every other month, what's the point of them even moving to the region? I really don't think there's a motivated, close community that will be damaged by the raid.

If you can contact your high school friend and have him re-found, you won't need the liberation anyway. If not, just found a new region for them to sit around in.
Old Man Eloquence, I have to make a stand against this sort of retaliation, if the Security Council won't protect those behind liberations, then there's nothing to stop future ambassadors from being intimidated into not pursuing liberations.
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