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Commend 10000 Islands
Topic Started: Dec 8 2009, 01:44 PM (881 Views)
Trav-Coch
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Oh My Days
Dec 12 2009, 01:13 PM
I know that WA neutrality as a law hasn't been enforced, but that doesn't mean that as an IC organisation to uphold the interests of the whole world it shouldn't be neutral. Of course it should and as such we shouldn't commend regions for taking a certain side, it should be for excellence in what they have achieved or benefiting the whole world.
I don't know from where you keep coming with this "time-honoured tradition of neutrality" or "neutrality law" or any such nonsense.

Facts are:

  1. SC has been around for barely 6 months now;
  2. In those six months, it has
    1. voted to condemn Macedon for their Macedonism,
    2. voted to condemn your own region for championing National Socialism,
    3. voted to liberate 3 invader griefed regions,
    4. voted to commend defender 10000 Islands (albeit it repealed it later because its language was poor) and finally
    5. voted against repealing your own region's condemnation
    so it has NEVER been neutral;
  3. There are no laws for the SC, except for
    1. No tit-for-tat proposals
    2. No commending (or condemning) a moderator for moderating
    3. No proposals about something that can and should be dealt with in another forum, probably Moderation

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Oh My Days
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I'm acknowledging that there is no "time-honoured tradition" of neutrality in the SC, it's not a law but the WA should be neutral because it is meant to serve the interests of the whole world IMO. I'm not saying that the SC always has been, but it should be neutral.
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A mean old man
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Oh My Days
Dec 12 2009, 01:13 PM
I know that WA neutrality as a law hasn't been enforced, but that doesn't mean that as an IC organisation to uphold the interests of the whole world it shouldn't be neutral. Of course it should and as such we shouldn't commend regions for taking a certain side, it should be for excellence in what they have achieved or benefiting the whole world.
Believe me, I've already tried this.
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I'v tried as well. no one listens, the only support I got was from raiders, who'd rather there is no security council. I have a few come to me saying they'd support a proposal that supports neutrality, even one who said he'd help me force a resolution through, but that was back when I was more neutral and I provided them with quotable material for neutrality, as at the time I was the only neutral who voiced their opinion for neutrality. for they moment I'm sticking with the "SC sucks" crowd, and am going to spend most of my time recruiting, as no one else seems to want to do it.
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Trav-Coch
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Oh My Days
Dec 12 2009, 09:17 PM
I'm acknowledging that there is no "time-honoured tradition" of neutrality in the SC, it's not a law but the WA should be neutral because it is meant to serve the interests of the whole world IMO. I'm not saying that the SC always has been, but it should be neutral.
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be neutral, either.
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If you think it should be neutral, then why commend them for defending rather than excellence if their field?

A Mean Old Man and Kalibarr have pointed out that it can be difficult, but surely fendas would still support a proposal like that, and some raiders would be happy for it to pass too. The vast majority of players who don't get involved in the gameplay side would surely be much happier with something like that, they could appreciate a proposal to reward excellence without taking sides.
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Trav-Coch
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Oh My Days
Dec 16 2009, 07:08 PM
If you think it should be neutral, then why commend them for defending rather than excellence if their field?

A Mean Old Man and Kalibarr have pointed out that it can be difficult, but surely fendas would still support a proposal like that, and some raiders would be happy for it to pass too. The vast majority of players who don't get involved in the gameplay side would surely be much happier with something like that, they could appreciate a proposal to reward excellence without taking sides.
1. I'm not commending anyone; the SC does that. When this proposal comes to vote, the SC, as a collective, will decide whether it wants to take a side or stay neutral.

2. In case you haven't bothered to read through the draft, this proposal is not commending the 10000 Islands simply for defending. Their gameplay achievements have been stated in the proposal as well.

3. Just because I'm not saying that the SC shouldn't be neutral, it does not necessarily mean that I don't want defenders to be commended or griefers to be condemned. What I'm opposed to are resolutions that simply say, "These people are defenders, so let's commend them" or "These people are griefers, so let's condemn them" without providing sufficient context as to why they merit a commendation/condemnation.
Edited by Trav-Coch, Dec 17 2009, 09:29 PM.
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Firstaria
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Ok, the proposal is on, and i started with the TG. Can someone help me???
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[unibot]
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I'll endorse it. But at the moment I don't have time to help campaigning, sorry, and my delegate contact list is now in my dossier which is very inconvenient for transferring 400 names to a list format to give to you.
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Firstaria
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well, i don't need a delegate list, the regional delegate list on NS + the "do not" list on this forum is already OK.

I need someone who can start TG others.
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