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[ADOPTED] Commend Todd McCloud
Topic Started: Dec 1 2009, 06:22 AM (1,522 Views)
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Todd, that link about 'most influential in NS' or whatever leads me to a secure part of the FRA forum. No idea what it said. So I left that out (and it sounds like something good to put in).
Edited by Topid, Dec 3 2009, 02:11 AM.
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Edited to add an RP part. (That's for you, A mean old man.)
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Dec 1 2009, 06:22 AM
RECOGNIZING Todd McCloud as a highly successful raider, leading the raid of San Francisco Bay Area, and co-organizing a coup in The Pacific,
I can understand commending raiders for raiding well, but not for destroying regions. My memory of that invasion was that it was only successful because it used WA multis, which were deleted the day after, by which time the entire raider community had piled into the region, meaning that there was no way it could be saved. I really can't support this resolution if the SFBA is mentioned, as I was friends with several of its members, all of whom left NS after the destruction of their region.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I would support a commendation of Todd, but not if it mentioned that invasion.
Edited by sedge, Dec 1 2009, 11:12 AM.
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Dec 1 2009, 06:22 AM
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The World Assembly,
RECALLING Todd McCloud has been an active member of The World Assembly Security Council since its inception, authoring SC #1 Condemn Macedon, SC #2 Commend Kandarin, SC# 10 Commend Goobergunchia, and also authoring failed SC Resolution Commend Equilism,


3. I do not think this would be house of cards because even if they are repealed, he still authored them.
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Saying that the SC previously condemned a nation is not the same as citing the resolution in which it happened. If you cite the resolution by name it is a House of Cards violation, because resolutions can be repealed. But if you say the region was condemned, that remains true even if the condemnation is later withdrawn.


You're citing the resolution by both name and number. According to Ardchoille, as above, that's a House of Cards violation, regardless of whether Todd authored it or not.

An alternative is to rephrase the clause as:
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RECALLING that Todd McCloud has been an active member of The World Assembly Security Council since its inception, having authored the Security Council Commendations of [nation]Kandarin[/nation] and [nation]Goobergunchia[/nation] and the Condemnation of [region]Macedon[/region];


But, I still don't know. What if these resolutions are all repealed, and replaced by others authored by somebody else, in the future? That would cause this resolution to become factually inaccurate at that point of time.

The best bet then, is to get a mod ruling on the legality of the original clause. If they say it's illegal, we'll have to go by an alternative.
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I'd also like to see a dedicated clause for his role in The East Pacific - before Todd became delegate, it was probably the most inactive of all the Pacifics (hence why it'd been targeted by the 'Empire' which took over it for a few months) - under Todd it is the most active of all of them.
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Get a mod ruling on the HoC possibility, I've always found the rules there seemed really arbitrary and pointless, keep in mind, that Goob was commended for authoring a UN resolution, and SC#4, and Commend Jey listed some of his greatest UN accomplishments. I wouldn't think a RECALLING clause should be illegal.


Some additions...


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The Security Council,

NOTING Todd McCloud’s long list of accomplishments across various fields,

PRAISING the successful defenses of Poland, a founderless region, while Todd McCloud helmed the delegacy,

ACKNOWLEDGING Todd McCloud’s experience in the East Pacific, with notable incidents including the Shiro Academy and The Listonian Crisis, (might want to go into detail here...)

FURTHER PRAISING Todd McCloud’s work as the leader of the Slavic Alliance in defending Slavic Regions (such as....) from the grips of Macedon,

RECOGNIZING Todd McCloud as a highly successful contributor to raiding, who lead the raid of San Francisco Bay Area, and co-organized a coup in The Pacific,

OBSERVING Todd McCloud’s political career in the feeders following a retirement from raiding in 2007, as the Delegate of The East Pacific, Election Chair Holder of The South Pacific, Regional Assembly Member of The North Pacific, Senator of The Rejected Realms, Minister of the Interior of The Rejected Realms, Minister of Justice of The South Pacific, Regional Assembly Member of The West Pacific,

RECALLING Todd McCloud has been an active member of the World Assembly Security Council since its inception, authoring SC#1 Condemn Macedon, SC#2 Commend Kandarin, and SC#10 Commend Goobergunchia,

COMMENDS Todd McCloud for his honorable service across many fields of the NationStates world.

Co-authored by the Security Council.


... you might want to put a clause in about how Todd has spoken against password raiders, and condemned Macedon in more detail. As I feel you might not lose some votes if you focus on his raider background too much without reminding voters that he doesn't support the total destruction of regions (yeh know, if we forget Feudal Japan for a second..).
Edited by unibot, Dec 1 2009, 09:33 PM.
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Okay, Sedge, idk what to say about the SFBA thing. I wasn't here at the time, if that is true I'd say it's not commendable, but if that's just a story inflated over the years, then I think the raid is too big NOT to mention.

I'll ask Todd about it.

I'll work on the other clause you mentioned. (When I was a very very new nation, I was a recruiter for a Player created region, I watched Todd sworn in as delegate on the RMB. I waited to say my spam till after so as not to be rude. It was one of the most impressive NS shows I've seen! Anyway, point is Todd's first day as delegate was very very early in my NS carreer, I didn't know TEP was ever inactive.)

Uni, I plan to link to the RP conflicts in the OP of the AT VOTE thread.. As someone who has never RPed, wouldn't know how to go into more detail without a summary, and that isn't very effective. I'll work on the clause you mentioned about Passwords/macedon.

Trev/Uni, Imma go bug the mods for a ruling in moderation.
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Cool.
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Added two more lines, IMPRESSED and ASTONISHED. Still waiting for a mod.
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IMPRESSED with Todd McCloud’s public stance against Macedon and other raiders who use of hidden passwords to destroy the target region,


Isn't entirely accurate, as I understand things. Todd is against the use of hidden passwords where the region is passworded a couple of days after invasion, but when its done a week or so afterwards, is supportive of their use.
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