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Condemn Aegara
Topic Started: Nov 26 2009, 06:25 PM (781 Views)
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Sedgistan
Anyone know anything about the person who wrote it? I know they're TGing delegates for approvals, but the nation is unknown.
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Firstaria
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Actually i think this is like the revenge i didn't asked for. Well, the fact i didn't asked doesn't mean i didn't want it, but is strange to see THAT much approvals even before i discovered that.
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I talked to the author, he's an oldtimer of Grand Central, Aegara actually wrote the proposal and passed it on to the documented author.

Its for politically reasons, first and foremost, raiders will be attracted to the badge (which has become like candy for them).

Aegara is a good political ally for me, he always approves my proposals (hey I'm a realpolitikean !) , so I felt inclined to approve his "wish".

However, the "author" has stated he contacted all of the delegates in NationStates, which I'm pretty sure could get my dead grandmother singing "Mean Mister Mustard" up-to-vote.

The telegram...

"The Used Kingdom"
 
He wanted a condemn, and hes the one who actually wrote it :P

He just wrote it in a way to get defender support, and invaders like the condemn icon, so that gets their votes :P

And I telegrammed every active WAD in the game XD All 435 pages of regions




Edited by unibot, Nov 27 2009, 01:09 AM.
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Todd McCloud
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Well, even if the guy did send this to a nation to 'self-condemn' himself, my fears are realized. There is no neutrality in the SC. The count for this condemnation is currently at 82. Goob's commendation maxed out around 70 or so. It could be that the guy telegrammed more people, but I think it's also because he has that raider label on it. Let me break it down:

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REALIZING that Aegara's repeal of "Commend 10000 Islands" was one motivated by revenge and hatred of 10000 Islands;

Okay, I can understand that. The Commend 10000 Islands repeal is what started this whole mess, but again, I too supported it because I felt a better one could've been written and, had a better one been written, it would've passed quite easily.

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KNOWING that Aegara has done much to facilitate the indoctrination of raiders within his own region;

This makes me sad. It seems to say that helping raiders is a condemnable offense. So in cutthroat logic, the broad determination of facilitating a raider is doing something that isn't good in the eyes of the WA. In short, anyone who even tries to defend them could be viewed as a 'bad guy'. And while I know this is true and opinions are as varied as the people who create such opinions, having it as an official response from the WA is troubling for me.

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APPALLED that Aegara attempts to recruit new nations to his region for the purpose of forming an army;

So does Equilism, but they won't be condemned anytime soon. Heck, so do a lot of raider and defender nations.

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SHOCKED that Aegara attempted to smear the name of defenders everywhere with his repeal of "Commend '10000 Islands'"

It was a repeal on something that would've been repealed eventually. I know there are some resolutions out there that could be worded differently, but that one really needed to be fixed. In time, it would've been repealed and a better one would be submitted.

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HEREBY CONDEMNS Aegara for allowing a personal vendetta to interfere in the workings of this great body.


Overall, a weak argument. So he repealed 10000 Islands... that's kind of about it. So he facilitates raiders. Well, I defend raiders in arguments because not very many people will. So he telegrams people trying to get them in his army. Bing deal: so does Wham and Naivetry in Equilism. The speed at which this reached quorum startles me, though. It outlines to me that no matter what you do in the game, if you have that raider label intact or are even accused of being a raider, doing raiding things, even defending raiders, that is a condemnable offense. My dream of seeing upstanding raiders and former raiders commended for what they did has practically vanished. And that is a shame. It will be a cold day before anyone who was affiliated as a raider present or past, is commended for their actions as pure talent and not as an evil nation or player.
Edited by Todd McCloud, Nov 27 2009, 09:44 AM.
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Sedgistan
I agree with everything in your post above. You could add 'self-commending/condemning' to my topic asking for extra rules, though obviously that'd be hard to prove. Better than that, you could surely get it deleted for violating this rule - that tit-for-tat proposals will get deleted. 3 out of 5 clauses relate to him repealing Commend 10000 Islands.

EDIT: Just gone and added it to the silly/illegal list on that basis.
Edited by sedge, Nov 27 2009, 10:41 AM.
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Firstaria
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I don't think this is a tit-for-tat. It's a self condemnation, not a counter from 10000 Islands.

But still, i think mods will decide about that.
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Kalibarr
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I reported it yesterday and Ard said they were talking about it, possibly even with max.
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Yep, thats what she's posted in the thread. Luckily my resolution gives them a bit more time to think. I really hope they do delete this one.
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OK, so Ard won't be deleting it, but I'll send a telegram to all the delegates who approved it later today, asking them to remove their approval.
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OK, how's this message:

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Greetings delegate,

I'm telegramming you because of your approval of [proposal]the_used_kingdom_1259179906[/proposal].

This proposal was actually written by [nation=shortnoflag]Aegara[/nation] himself, who asked [nation=shortnoflag]The Used Kingdom[/nation] to submit it. You'll notice that The Used Kingdom is a long-term native of [region]Grand Central[/region], of which Aegara is delegate. The Used Kingdom has admitted that Aegara wrote the proposal, "in a way to get defender support", because he liked the idea of having a condemnation badge on his nation. For more on this, see the discussion on the forum: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=26223

Even without that, the resolution is terrible. It essentially condemns Aegara for repealing 'Commend 10000 Islands', and for being a raider and recruiting nations to his region. I might be a defender, but a condemnation based just on the fact that someone is a raider? It seems ridiculous to me.

I hope that you will remove your approval of this terrible proposal. If you have any questions about it, don't hesitate to contact me.

~Sedge
Edited by sedge, Nov 28 2009, 08:31 PM.
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