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Brainstorming; We should propose some Resolutions!
Topic Started: Nov 23 2009, 01:45 AM (5,560 Views)
Kandarin
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Are you?

Technically SC#9, Liberate The Security Council, just gave my region a badge, and fifteen minutes of fame. Yet, most people understood its symbolic meaning. Which is just like, commending NewTexas the nation, would just commend the nation, but be interpreted as also commending the player.

Resolutions could, and should have a multidimensional layer to them.

Lets look at the problems with OOC proposals, what pronouns do we use? "Their" and "They" get pretty boring after a while, yet if we attempt to use "He" or "She" we're either making a guess (guesses are never good to be basing proposals off of), or spelling it out to the NationStates community that Unibot is a guy! A principle of privacy which I don't care about, but I don't think Max Barry had in mind when he created the C&Cs, that only those who identified themselves, and shared their genders, and personalities over the internet could be commended and condemned.


I am not suggesting that only player-based C&Cs should exist, nor that nations do not exist that are commendable or condemnable in a totally IC sense without any reference to the actions of their player. I am saying that for a very significant sum of NSers, the bulk of their actions (and thus the bulk of the things they could be C&Ced for) are things that they do as players and posters, not IC abstractions. I am well aware that plenty of NSers do things mainly through fictitious national leaders or ambassadors, or post on forums only as carefully constructed alternate personalities. These folks should get IC C&Cs when their IC behavior is sufficiently awesome or heinous-yet-legal. The rest of us should not be penalized by being unable to use a game feature for our choice to post as ourselves.

I am not suggesting that the option to identify one's in-game persona as basically identical to the person running it be mandatory. I merely ask that that choice not be restricted. Both IC-oriented and OOC-oriented commendations must be allowable, or the only alternative is the abolition of huge swaths of the playerbase from ever making use of the feature.

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Commending a nation, is commending player.

Commending a player, however, is commending some dude which we probably don't know that much about.


Yes, unless worded in the most rigidly RP-oriented of terms, a C&C of a nation will be a comment on the person running that nation. You're going to have to deal with the debate on their (OOC, not done via a fictional character or alternate personality) in-game actions regardless of how OOC the terms go, and allowing only rigidly RP-oriented terms restricts the availability of the feature too much to be viable. Since you'll have the same problems either way, allowing leeway in the OOCness of wording isn't going to create any new ones.
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Nov 30 2009, 10:57 PM
I was an idiot and thought I clicked "quote" on your post, but actually clicked edit ...
Stimpy, you eediot!
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A little late, but: NT said no to commending the region of Texas. I didn't ask about commending him personally. Someone could ask him if he wants one.

I always ask before I draft because I don't like the idea of a commendation of someone who doesn't want to be commended, except maybe in a few cases where it is funny like the current resolution at vote.
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Dec 1 2009, 04:26 AM
I always ask before I draft because I don't like the idea of a commendation of someone who doesn't want to be commended, except maybe in a few cases where it is funny like the current resolution at vote.
I am at a loss to understand this. If we're commending someone/someplace in earnest, we are, as a community, recognizing and appreciating their contribution(s) to the game as a whole, aren't we? Don't know why their opinion has to count.

Texas and Wysteria are plum candidates for commendation, IMO. So is NewTexas.
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Commend The Skeleton Army could be a good place to start if someone wanted to Commend a raider region :P They're not serious raiders - they move over non-WA nations, and then post a bit on your message board - they're probably the only region you'd actually want to invade you. Very friendly & funny people.
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Dec 1 2009, 03:57 PM
Commend The Skeleton Army could be a good place to start if someone wanted to Commend a raider region :P They're not serious raiders - they move over non-WA nations, and then post a bit on your message board - they're probably the only region you'd actually want to invade you. Very friendly & funny people.
I second this idea! ^_^
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Dec 1 2009, 08:17 AM
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Dec 1 2009, 04:26 AM
I always ask before I draft because I don't like the idea of a commendation of someone who doesn't want to be commended, except maybe in a few cases where it is funny like the current resolution at vote.
I am at a loss to understand this. If we're commending someone/someplace in earnest, we are, as a community, recognizing and appreciating their contribution(s) to the game as a whole, aren't we? Don't know why their opinion has to count.

Texas and Wysteria are plum candidates for commendation, IMO. So is NewTexas.
If the region wants to be left alone, and not given a ton of attention, then I don't think they should be commended. Like declining a reward. I guess some regions would rather be left alone. I'm not sure why a region would not WANT a commendation, unless they were planning a raid or a coup and didn't want a lot of strangers looking at their region... I don't really see what it could hurt.

Anyway, I won't be writing a commendation of anyone who does not want one.
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Anyway, I won't be writing a commendation of anyone who does not want one.
Weeell then, put me on the "do not commend" list. ;)
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Dec 2 2009, 11:46 PM
Anyway, I won't be writing a commendation of anyone who does not want one.
Weeell then, put me on the "do not commend" list. ;)
Commend!? Commend!?

I'm be condemning your ass. Thank you very much.

Joking. :D
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Anyway, I won't be writing a commendation of anyone who does not want one.
Weeell then, put me on the "do not commend" list. ;)
Commend!? Commend!?

I'm be condemning your ass. Thank you very much.

Joking. :D
You can condemn Aundotutunagir if you like. :D
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