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Race for the White house. Debate topic; Debate for election
Topic Started: Jun 19 2008, 07:19 AM (836 Views)
Hisperians
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But if we had a independent president he/she would be pushed around by congress so muc it wouldn't be worth it. Either that or He/she will have so much power in congress everything he asked for would be passed even if it is not just or near perfect.
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Farflorin
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Gee, Hisp... it sounds like that's how it works everyday in the US. ;)
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I agree that an independent would be best. The major parties only care about beating each other. An independent president might actually lead the country back to its prime. I'm probably gonna move to france when I graduate from college. That way, I won't have to worry as much about being bombed by China. My guess is, in 10-20 years, World War III will be started between America and China.
Edited by Corrosia, Jun 21 2008, 04:08 PM.
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Those with everything stand to lose the most in war.

Africa is an example of a place with almost nothing; war is everywhere there. The people don't have much else to lose.

America and China have everything, albeit not the way they want it. They would stand to lose too much if it ever came to war.
Edited by Farflorin, Jun 21 2008, 04:22 PM.
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War between America and China? I don't see how that would be likely. I mean America gets most of it's resources and items from China, would it be worth cutting out the middle man for that? I do not believe China has any bad intentions actually.
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No bad intentions yet. I don't discriminate against chinese, but i suspect that their government might soon start making plans for domination. America is one of the few empires in history who did not set out on conquest. Most others did. And though America made some colonies, we released them all (i think)
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Plans for domination? They still have to recover their economy first, but I don't see why the Chinese government would try to dominate the world. Besides they would need some major allies to take over the world. Russia isn't as powerful as the Soviet Union. India also doesn't have exact full cordial relations with China yet.

That and they would have to go through the entire NATO probably and then some. The SCO isn't exactly a military alliance, or as powerful.
Edited by Liberal Morality, Jun 22 2008, 07:37 AM.
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If there were a third World War, then it would probably be the U.S.A. against The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea), and maybe Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Although just a few days ago, I saw recent news that North Korea had six-party talks with the U.S., North Korea itself, South Korea, China, Japan, and I forget the other country. It said that North Korea plans to declare its nuclear missiles to China and take down one of their cooling towers, for food aid and diplomatic recognition in return. North Korea also requested the U.S. and other countries to cover part of the cost of the demolition of the cooling tower. Although North Korea plans on doing this, my prediction North Korea, in decades, will discretely build nuclear missiles and bomb Alaska, a lot of the United States, and other countries in the world that North Korea obviously views suspiciously that I don't know. It will be long before South Korea and the North will unite, although the United States, and both Koreas have officially ended the Korean War in 2002, I think. North Korea is nostalgic and government seeks to take over the South and make it Juche Communist. The government is practically brainwashes the citizens with patriotic songs and Anti-American idealisms, in which they call us "American Dogs." Political freedoms and civil rights are unheard of there because they are so isolated. They don't have internet. They don't know what Google, MSN, AIM, or anything like that. Their only TV shows are state-controlled news. No fun, no break there, all discipline and back-breaking work. Anyways, I've made my point.
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If WWIII ever will happen it would go down like this:
In SK yearly riots get uglier and uglier. SK government becomes very paranoid and hostile. With this news Unbalanced trade agreements between US and SK hits the ear of the u.s politician who then make bills saying that the U.S demands free trade or U.S troops still in DMZ are going home with all the supplies and equipment. the "send the troops home" movement hit SK and the bill picks up steam. Bill gets passed troops start going home because FTA will cripple the fragile economy of SK. Increased talks between Chinese and DPRK possibly including taliban and al queda. The little brother big brother communist rule starts up agiain between DPRK and PRC increasing military strength of DPRK. possibly Russia will conduct secret talks with PRC + DPRK saying that they will publicly be neutral while giving supplies to DPRK and PRC secretly. Taliban increases attacks in afghanistan but lowering the attacks in Iraq.. Troops begin to be pulled out faster from Iraq and more into Afghanistan. A military coup attempt in SK leads to the strickening of laws in SK. Moral is lowered within the barracks and the SK government is weakened without the US help. DPRK swiftly goes over the DMZ and through underground highways made 20-50 years earlier. U.S troops are beaten back past the capital seol and possibly as far south as Pohang. with the help of China, A successful coup attempt in Iraq brings a stronger than Sudam dicatator and they declare war on U.S. PRC would be cutting deals with other countries possbly Chad and arming cuba cauing WWIII.
VERY HYPOTHETICAL!!!
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Excellent analysis. MAkes sense too. However, just because a country doesn't look suspicious doesn't mean it doesn't have dark plans. North Korea will probably start the war, and then Europe will come in, then Russia and China, and there you go. The UN will go to hell, national unity will shatter, etc, etc. Thats just my guess.
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I however disagree, China itself would not have the means even with Russia or India to take on the NATO and their allies. Besides just because a nation is communist doesn't make it exactly secretly warmongering. That and China isn't too keen on terror. It kind of sounds like those Falun Gong protests.
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And in WWIII, they will start having nuclear weapons, and North Korea will be starting to build them in a decade. They will be building cooling towers too. The thing is, why would Russia be allying itself with the People's Republic of China? It's not communist anymore. Russia is more focused with its infrastructure, such as building a Trans-Siberian road from Minsk, Belarus, to Vladivostok, Russia, so I don't think that Russia would be focused so much on international affairs. Russia has little contact with North Korea, and Russia barely borders them, so I don't see how it would be possible for the Russians. Plus, I don't think that China has any plans for going to war with the U.S. because China is becoming more capitalistic day by day since Deng Xiaoping's rule, and the Four Modernizations he proposed. China is so much more open to economic opportunities with western nations than North Korea. North Korea is not willing to change and still has its communist dynasty that started out with Kim Il-Sung in rule until his death in 1994 which caused the North Korean government to establish a three-year mourning period until Kim Jong-Il assumed power in 1997, four years after the famine that hit them after the Soviet Union collapsed causing the economic aid to be cut off. But with political ideologies, China and North Korea are still in excellent diplomatic relations with each other. A few days ago, the Chinese Vice Premier met with Great Leader Kim Jong-Il in Pyongyang (Remember, I don't think he is a "GREAT LEADER" at all. As you know, that's just what they call him there). My prediction for all this is that if the relations between China and North Korea become stronger, then maybe Premier Hu Jintao and Great Leader Kim-Jong-Il will start meeting each other in Pyongyang only (because Kim never goes out of North Korea, not even out of his house, but his house is huge, so it would make sense. Plus, he has a net worth of $1 billion, so he can get all of the cognac, french wine, cadillacs and mercedes, flat screen televisions, ipods, and everything else he wants), and strategize a war with China and other communist countries such as Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Mongolia, and Cuba, against the U.S., South Korea, the European Union, and NATO forces. the U.S. will be setting up and launching missiles from Turkey (Like they almost did during the Cuban Missile Crisis), Northern Africa, and the Middle East, while China and North Korea will be setting up missiles in the communist countries mentioned, and possibly Russia, in Siberia. Also, the war would continue for half one century, just like the Cold War, and when the war ends, the Earth will be in ruins and hazardous, and the countries that have fought in the war would have to start all over again, such as China, North Korea, all of the Western European countries, South Korea and the U.S., with their economy and political systems, and seventy percent of the world population would be decimated, and animals and plants would have died already, which means a scarcity of food. Again, I had made another point of mine on my prediction of WWIII.
Edited by Julianoso, Jun 22 2008, 07:27 PM.
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Well that was... long. And i didn't know that China was going capitalist. Well then, i bet it won't be involved in the war, because soon a group of communists in the country will revolt, they'll have a civil war, and then they'll have to spend time repairing and making a full anti-communist transfer.
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They are becoming very capitalistic with their economy, but politically, with socialist elements. The U.S. gets a huge percentage of their raw materials and products from China. They have an SEZ (Special Economic Zone) at Shenzhen, which is continuing to help China's economy grow by billions of dollars every year. Plus, if communists and anti-communists stage a civil war, it will be the same civil war like in the 1940's with the Nationalist forces commanded under Chiang Kai-shek, and the Communists under Mao Tse-tung, except that the communists won. Despite having a partially free-market economy, you're right that it will take a long time before Beijing and the rest of China starts becoming democratic. Although Deng Xiaoping installed the Four Modernizations, political freedoms were still corrupted, and the proof is that of the Tienanmen Square protests in 1989. That's proof that China still wants to make communism work and still views free market countries as somewhat corrupt and immoral with anti-communist ideas. Another example would be the riots in Lhasa, in Tibet over the killing of Buddhist monks. China would take a pretty considerable amount of time, about 50 years, to totally transform its partially communist society, into a politically free, free market country which protects its citizens' civil rights.
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Were seriously off topic.
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