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| Race for the White house. Debate topic; Debate for election | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 19 2008, 07:19 AM (831 Views) | |
| Hisperians | Jun 19 2008, 07:19 AM Post #1 |
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debate topic I don't think Ralph got enough people to sign his petition to let him run in each state. Also new poll numbers came out yesterday and it states that: Pennsylvania: 52%-40% Barack leading by 12 pts Ohio: Obama 48 McCain 42 Florida: McCain 43, Obama 47 Quinnipiac poll numbers. So Obama is winning by a considerable margin in all 3 major swing states. Now John McCain is going to have to move to the moderates, the swing voters to get these states he desperately needs to have a chance at pulling off an upset. Also in order to capture Florida he is going to need full support from the governor of Florida, Charlie Crist (R) who is against McCain's plan for off shore drilling of oil near Florida and in the Gulf. Also this does not help the republicans at all The day after McCain comes out and says that he is for off shore drilling in Florida, George Bush comes out and does the same. On the Democratic side of things Al Gore(D), Environment Czar and 2000 Democratic nominee (lost in FLORIDA) came out and pledged full support of Obama. My question is Why So late? Why now? Why not last week? We all know that Al Gore was not so fond of Hillary Clinton and Howard Dean was the same way and visa versa. But maybe I am too picky. At least Obama can get a stronger lead in the economic issue. Al Gore has shown us that if those 567 voters in Florida voted for him, we would not have people paying $4.75 on gas and $130 per barrel on sweet light crude oil today. We would not have the Dow drop 400 points on June 6 the biggest one day drop in 3 years. We would not see the Dow dipping under 1200 points and we would not see the dollar turn into dust coming to a 12 month low against the yen even though Japan's economy has been stagnant for almost a decade. Those 567 Floridians have a 3rd chance to make change and to preserve Americas interests. Those 567 Floridians have a 3rd chance to ween ourselves of foreign oil which is corrupting our economy, starving our people and crippling the environment. We can have CHANGE. Change that we believe in and can happen. We can forgive, we can get out of Iraq and focus our attention onto our country. We are still in this Cold War mentality that if we don't go outside of our country and intervene in a civil dispute our country will be in danger. All Terrorist don't come from Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan or Chad, the Come from here. The U.S indirectly trains terrorists and radicals that go abroad to pick up their information then come back to western nations like the U.S and U.K killing hundreds of innocents and terrorizing millions more. Also we cannot forget the underlying factor of race in this election. Racism, sexism, ethnocentrism have all killed American politics. Ask anyone from the U.K, they will say that Americans are closed minded and a sexist and a racist nation. They may even go on and say that Americans will fight or kill before they know what they are fighting for. If we decide elect Obama this year, we will be the first nation in the western world to do so. Also, the day of Barack Obama's official nomination speech is the same day that Martin Luther King Jr. gave the " I had a dream speech" on the steps of the Lincoln memorial. I am not saying to go and vote for Obama because he is black I am saying if he is nominated it will be the greatest win for civil rights ever and that is not an understatement. Only 50 years ago African American's and other groups were given the right to vote. I can tell you that even today I cannot give a full sigh of relief. There is something that cannot put my finger on tat is just not right. I have asked my grandmother about this and she plainly said "Son, as you are getting older you must remember this always. Blacks are still discriminated against and you will be too." First these words were so real I did not want believe in them. Later on I saw it for myself. But if Obama wins maybe i can sigh a little deeper. Maybe other groups such as Women and Homosexuals can get the same sigh of relief. Maybe just maybe this CHANGE can happen. I can't vote but if I could I would vote for Obama. Donate for Change Edited by Hisperians, Jun 20 2008, 03:20 AM.
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| Farflorin | Jun 19 2008, 08:16 AM Post #2 |
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I won't be voting because I'm a Canadian citizen. Though, personally, I would have voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries. That aside, you make a series of excellent points I can't dispute. |
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| Julianoso | Jun 19 2008, 08:38 AM Post #3 |
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Barack Obama will win because almost everyone doesn't want one-hundred more years of war. The U.S. needs a president that will restore the economy, fund education, and have an ascending middle class, instead of funding the senseless war in Iraq. Also, we need to make healthcare less expensive and more accessible to the poor and elderly. Barack Obama will do just that. John McCain would only exploit the middle class by raising their taxes, while giving five percent of the population, which are your multimillionaires and billionaires, huge tax exempts, which makes our economy even worse, just like Bush did. |
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| Corrosia | Jun 19 2008, 11:54 AM Post #4 |
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Barack Obama is definetly better. primary wise, I would have never voted for Hillary because everything she says just sounds like a lie. Plus, she is Bill Clinton's wife and I didn't like him. And, though I admit that we should at least try to beat down Alkida and rebuild Iraq, we shouldn't stay much longer. We should organize the Iraqi government and let them deal with it. This is why I don't Like McCain because he's acting like America is the International police force and we should never back done no matter how pointless it is to go on. |
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| Hisperians | Jun 19 2008, 12:03 PM Post #5 |
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so.... anyone gonna donate? Hillary Could win against McCain easily. Heck, Ralph Nader would win against McCain if her was a democrat. But if you look at the issues Barack wins easily.
Edited by Hisperians, Jun 19 2008, 12:07 PM.
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| Farflorin | Jun 19 2008, 12:20 PM Post #6 |
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I can't donate. I would donate to the Democratic Party if I had a dual-citizenship. But alas, being out of the US, I can't. So, I'll have to be satisfied being a card carrying member of NDP (and a provincial council delegate). |
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| Liberal Morality | Jun 19 2008, 02:22 PM Post #7 |
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Independents aren't all that popular. Go Obama! |
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| Farflorin | Jun 19 2008, 03:31 PM Post #8 |
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Independents would have a damn chance if American mainstream media gave them the light of day and focused on all candidates equally, giving them all a fair attempt to get their message out to the people. Alas, it is but a far off dream. There is far too much bipartisan politics in the MSM for such a thing to work. People seem to like being told who to vote for rather than deciding for themselves. |
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| Hisperians | Jun 20 2008, 03:19 AM Post #9 |
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Well in America their are 4 main news corporations FOX: Republican MSNBC: Democrat CNN: Christian News Network (Moderate leaning conservative) CSPAN: Basically shows what the senate and house actually do in congress |
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| Julianoso | Jun 20 2008, 12:45 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah, I've seen a little bit of stuff on C-SPAN. I've seen bills being passed, etc. From my perspective, it seems to me that FOX is the channel with the most biased opinions, especially with Hannity and Colmes, and the O'Reilly Factor. On the radio, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are the big pain in the butts as they always will be. Laura Ingram is the only talk show host that actually I wouldn't mind listening to, although I'm am very leftist myself. |
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| Hisperians | Jun 20 2008, 01:53 PM Post #11 |
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Rush Limbaugh is my hero.....Not. He is soooooo oboxious it is not even funny. He sounds like a mix of McCain's old pastor John Hagee and the diabetes guy on the Liberty commercial. Fox is biased so much and the quality is soo bad i want to pull out my hair. I think they take all of the stuff from MSNBC and try hard to make the news different. Let's not forget that FOX was the news station that broke the whole Obama fist bump scandel. EDIT: NEWS JUST IN: Nationwide Barack Obama: 44% John McCain: 43% Ralph Nader: 4% Bob Barr: 2% Georgia (John McCain was thought to win by a considerable margin) McCain 44% Obama: 43% Barr 6% So barr is really dropping the chance for a Republican win. Edited by Hisperians, Jun 20 2008, 05:32 PM.
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| Julianoso | Jun 20 2008, 03:14 PM Post #12 |
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Haha, true. I never thought of it that way. |
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| Corrosia | Jun 20 2008, 06:12 PM Post #13 |
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GO BOB BARR! Keeping the republicans out of the oval office. After bush... *shudders*. Bush was horrible. I heard the current race described this way: The candidate that can't lose is running for the party that can't win while the candidate that can't win is running for the party that can't lose. I agree completely. I actually think that Obama's wife might work against him, even if the reverend doesn't. |
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| Farflorin | Jun 21 2008, 04:29 AM Post #14 |
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What do you know, I was right... someone I know from my local riding association suggested that Barr wouldn't take away any of the GOP vote. I knew I was right. Anyway... America needs an independent president. One not associated with either of the parties. With politics not likely to play a game, you might actually see something worthwhile get accomplished. None of that petty piddling partisan horse manure. |
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| Julianoso | Jun 21 2008, 04:48 AM Post #15 |
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Yeah, that would be pretty cool if we had an independent president. |
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