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A Sleepless Night on Shoddy Battle; Quite possibly a poorly thought out team
Topic Started: Oct 9 2008, 06:47 AM (1,727 Views)
Kira
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Let me just say that I have not played Little Cup in a long time. I made this team very late in the night due to my inability to fall asleep. There was literally one person left on the CAP server so I was unable to test this team. I will delete this portion of the message after I am able to test this.

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Sacred Fire (Ponyta) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 36 HP/236 Atk/196 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Flare Blitz
- Overheat
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Hypnosis

Scarfed to ensure a fast hypnosis. Little Cup is a fast paced Metagame and this guy should have no problem keeping up. It has a decent attack stat while it has a passable special stat high enough to hurt things that resist physical moves.
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Two 4 One (Doduo) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Early Bird
EVs: 236 Atk/236 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Pluck
- Quick Attack
- Steel Wing
- Return

Nice normal Stab backed by decent speed. Steel Wing is there for the same reason Iron Tail is on Ponyta. Pluck is very useful for getting rid of the numerous pinch berries that seem to be rampant in Little Cup.
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Patrick Star (Staryu) @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 236 Spd/200 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Thunderbolt

Late game sweeper. Has very nice speed and excellent coverage.
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Friz B. (Bronzor) @ Oran Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 220 HP/4 Atk/148 Def/68 SDef
Sassy nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Gyro Ball
- Reflect
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

My main wall. He provides a few useful resistances and can support my team with Rocks and Reflect. My team is very offensive like all little cup teams so this guy will hopefully let me get in a switch in against my opponent via double switch or by reducing damage taken on the switch with reflect.
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Glass Menagerie (Misdreavus) (F) @ Salac Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 Spd/240 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute
- Calm Mind

Provides some nice Fight/Ground/Normal immunities. Ghost/Fight is unresisted coverage.
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Mind Grainez! (Psyduck) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Cloud Nine
EVs: 24 Atk/236 Spd/240 SAtk
Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Cross Chop
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Surf

My insurance against weather teams. Psyduck is also an awesome Pokemon simply because he is a duck, one of my favorite animals. Psyduck has fairly nice coverage.
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Edited by Kira, Oct 9 2008, 04:36 PM.
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"The analysis made this thing sound really powerful so I am hoping it won't disappoint me. "
That was one of mine.. and its strong but its low speed is a very big problem.

The team looks ok, I don't really like the way it has 2 CBers that are not very fast but without testing you can't see if its a problem.

Also its a little SubKrow weak (only Bronzor has any chance, and it dies if Krow gets a sub up on the switch).

All of your priority moves are Quick Attack, and you have 3 of them.. its probably not to bad but you may struggle against speed boosting opponents who resist or are immune to it, thankfully Bronzor can beat most of them.

Actually Bronzor holds most of the team together by covering a few threats that the rest would fall to, however it can't switch into many of them even with Oran and its resists so if your opponent has, say, SubKrow and Rock Polish Rhyhorn/Cranidos/Onix you will only be able to counter one of them.

I think making Ponyta a Scarfer (possibly mixed, Flare Blitz/HP Grass/Hypnosis/something) and taking out ether Eevee or Doduo for a fast LO sweeper (Something like Elekid or Staryu) or a strong priority (Not QA) user would probably help this team.
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Well from what you just stated having low speed seems to be the death of many Pokemon. In that case I will use a LO Staryu in place of Eevee. Making Ponyta a scarfer is not a problem since I was considering that anyway.
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Probably the next thing to do is test it out and see what you have problems with.
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I will test it once the ladder is fixed. Choice items don't give boosts right now (as you know) which hurts my team a lot.
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You can still play unrated matches so long as the LC Clause is not active.
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Scarf Gastly/Abra could run through your team. Especially Gastly, considering half your team is weak to Electric and the other half doesn't resist Ghost or Fighting. I suggest using Life Orb Diglett, he gives you a Electric immunity and priority to take out Scarfers with, which is helpful as your scarfed pokemon aren't extremely speedy.

If Ponyta's going to have Flare Blitz, it wants some Attack EVs. Hypnosis now has 60% Accuracy so I'd consider Dropping it for another attack, such as Return or Quick Attack, or putting Will-O-Wisp in there to deter any Physical attackers coming in.
Edited by Kannon, Oct 9 2008, 08:18 PM.
[14:29] <%Kannon> what resists water/flying
[14:29] <+MantykeKnight> ice ?_?

suck on that SDS
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Kannon
Oct 9 2008, 08:13 PM
Scarf Gastly/Abra could run through your team. Especially Gastly, considering half your team is weak to Electric and the other half doesn't resist Ghost or Fighting. I suggest using Life Orb Diglett, he gives you a Electric immunity and priority to take out Scarfers with, which is helpful as your scarfed pokemon aren't extremely speedy.

If Ponyta's going to have Flare Blitz, it wants some Attack EVs. Hypnosis now has 60% Accuracy so I'd consider Dropping it for another attack, such as Return or Quick Attack, or putting Will-O-Wisp in there to deter any Physical attackers coming in.
I will take that into consideration. Though I don't know who to run him over.

Also Ponyta does have attack ev's, 236 to be exact. I may drop hypnosis for Quick Attack since priority is always good.
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Scarf Abra doesn't ruin your team at all, Quick Attackers + Bronzor stops that from happening.

Scarf Gastly is outsped by Scarf Ponyta, plus Gastly's pretty crappy anyway.
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Kannon
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Kira
Oct 9 2008, 09:20 PM
Kannon
Oct 9 2008, 08:13 PM
Scarf Gastly/Abra could run through your team. Especially Gastly, considering half your team is weak to Electric and the other half doesn't resist Ghost or Fighting. I suggest using Life Orb Diglett, he gives you a Electric immunity and priority to take out Scarfers with, which is helpful as your scarfed pokemon aren't extremely speedy.

If Ponyta's going to have Flare Blitz, it wants some Attack EVs. Hypnosis now has 60% Accuracy so I'd consider Dropping it for another attack, such as Return or Quick Attack, or putting Will-O-Wisp in there to deter any Physical attackers coming in.
I will take that into consideration. Though I don't know who to run him over.

Also Ponyta does have attack ev's, 236 to be exact. I may drop hypnosis for Quick Attack since priority is always good.
I meant SpAtk >_>

Chris: name one way in which 18 SpAtk and 26 Speed and a Fight/Normal/Ground immunity in one is useless.
[14:29] <%Kannon> what resists water/flying
[14:29] <+MantykeKnight> ice ?_?

suck on that SDS
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Because Misdreavus can do all of that (in fact 18 SpA and 26 Speed) with better defenses. That's why.

Diglett isn't a check for Gastly anyway.
Edited by Chris, Oct 10 2008, 05:08 AM.
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Yeah, but Gastly's Special movepoll doesn't consist of just Shadow Ball, Thunderbolt and Hidden Power
Edited by Kannon, Oct 10 2008, 03:32 AM.
[14:29] <%Kannon> what resists water/flying
[14:29] <+MantykeKnight> ice ?_?

suck on that SDS
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Correct. He has Energy Ball. Name something not 2HKOd by Shadow Ball that is by Energy Ball.
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Chinchou?

Anyway, this isn't the place to argue Gastly vs. Misdreavus.

Though to be fair, Gastly DOES have Explosion, which can allow it to hit something hard when it's on its last legs, which is never something to be taken lightly.

But yeah, someone do something like make a thread in a discussion forum instead of cluttering up random RMTs with it.

On to actually rating the team. This team has issues with Drifloon. If allowed to get anything resembling a setup, Drifloon can absolutely massacre this team. Furthermore, it can come in on multiple things (Scarf Quick Attack/Return from Doduo, Scarf Overheat/HP Grass from Ponyta, Scarf Cross Chop from Psyduck) for free and start setting up.

Speaking of, if you're going to run special attacks on Ponyta, don't run a -SAtk nature. Run something like Hasty instead. Also... Houndour walls your Ponyta solid, as do other Ponyta.

Doduo should be running Brave Bird over Pluck for the power. Most Pinch-Berry users will be absolutely annihilated by a STAB Brave Bird, so Pluck doesn't really do much other than be annoying.

With all this talk of Abra, why not run Life Orb Abra over Staryu? Arguably better coverage with its newest set of Psychic/Shadow Ball/HP Fire/Signal Beam, with the same speed and a good deal more power.

Speaking of Drifloon... Why not try a Sub CM Drifloon in place of Misdreavus? Unburden makes a set up Drifloon faster than a Salac Misdreavus, with an automatic +1 Special Attack to boot. It also gives all the same immunities as Misdreavus, with an extra resistance to Grass if it ever comes in handy.

Also, Kannon (and Kira), if Serebii is to be believed, Quick Attack + Flare Blitz is illegal on Ponyta, as Quick Attack is a level 1 attack for Ponyta in FRLG only, whereas Flare Blitz is a Level-Up move, making the combination illegal at Level 5.

One last thing. I've always found that Psyduck is rather... useless, especially Scarfed variants. I ran THE weather team for a VERY long time, and found that any weather team worth a damn should carry Munchlax, which comes in, laughs at any attack not named Cross Chop, and proceeds to Pursuit the Psyduck for a KO. I can understand wanting anti-weather insurance, but Psyduck is the kind of Pokemon that will be dead weight 90% of the time and rather underwhelming the other 10%.
Edited by Seven Deadly Sins, Oct 10 2008, 09:14 AM.
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SDS, Ice resists Water. Ground doesn't resist Rock.
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Back. Will see in the next week or so how much I can contribute.

Solid team, but beware of TR ---> Munchlax teams, although if you play Bronzor, Misdreavus and Ponyta smartly around it, you should be able to outstall TR.
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