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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 29 2008, 11:02 PM (982 Views) | |
| Vader | Aug 29 2008, 11:02 PM Post #1 |
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Before anything else, keep in mind that Sash is difficult to pull off without Spin support from Sandshrew(I guess?). Unless you can KO the opposing lead, SR will be there, and you will cry when Swarm Scyther cannot do anything but endure. [SET] Name: Standard Move 1: Brick Break/X-Scissor Move 2: Aerial Ace Move 3: Quick Attack Move 4: Swords Dance Item: Life Orb / Focus Sash Ability: Technician Nature: Adamant/Jolly EVs: 196 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spd [SET COMMENTS] Scyther may seem like a toned-down Sneasel or a physical variant of Yanma that lacks Speed Boost, but he really is much more. This set lets Scyther Swords Dance and go to town with Psuedo-STAB Quick Attack. Against the other Ubers, Aerial Ace and X-Scissor will hit everything SE, except for Deepseatooth Clamperl. Sash lets you survive a hit and KO back, while LO lets you rack up more damage. This set is also the reason it's banned. Because it can get a Swords Dance against just about anything facotring in the Sash, it can then proceed to completely destroy any team. Next to nothing in LC can survive a SD-boosted hit from Scyther, the exception being Bronzor. Even the other Ubers don't like double-STAB Aerial Ace and X-Scissor coming at them, a combo that hits all 5 SE. Nothing can switch-in on one of Scyther's SD'd attacks. Revenge-killing with Yanma's Air Slash is possible, though taking advantage of Scyther trying to hit it and using protect to boost to 24 Speed. Then Yanma hits Scyther with Air Slash and makes him cry. Brick Break deals with Aron(yet to see Uber play, but may well be viable) and Bastiodon. It also scores 4x effective on Sneasel, though X-Scissor is still an OHKO. [SET] Name: Choice Move 1: X-Scissor/U-Turn Move 2: Aerial Ace Move 3: Quick Attack Move 4: Brick Break/Double Hit/U-Turn Item: Choice Scarf/Band Ability: Technician Nature: Adamant/Jolly EVs: 196 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spd [SET COMMENTS] With a Scarf, Adamant Scyther hits 22 Attack and 30 Speed, letting him safely outspeed Sneasel and KO back. In fact, Scyther outspeeds anything not boosted if it holds a Scarf. Choice Band lets Scyther hits a massive 30 Attack, while being limited to his 22 Speed, 1 point behind Jolly Sneasel. Psuedo-STAB on Quick Attack and Double STAB on Aerial Ace runs rampant on an unprepared team. Double Hit lets Scyther break a Sub and still hit. With a Technician bonus, it has a total of 105 BP, beating out Return. U-Turn can replace X-Scissor for a hit-and-run set to get Meditite and Sneasel. It can also replace Double Hit if you're not worried about Subs. BB add coverage, making an unresisted combo in Fighting/Flying. [SET] Name: Agility Sweeper Move 1: Agility Move 2: Aerial Ace Move 3: X-Scissor Move 4: Quick Attack Item: Focus Sash / Life Orb Ability: Technician Nature: Adamant EVs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 116 Def / 116 SpD [SET COMMENTS] This set takes Scyther’s Agility and uses it to sweep the opposing team. Lacking the limitations of a Scarf or the need to Protect for a Speed Boost, Scyther outspeeds everything with 34 Speed. Due to his rather bulky defenses that max out only a point behind Bronzor, he can pull this off rather well. [SET] Name: Agility-Passer Move 1: Agility Move 2: Aerial Ace Move 3: Baton Pass Move 4: Quick Attack Item: Focus Sash / Lum Berry Ability: Technician Nature: Adamant EVs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 116 Def / 116 SpD [SET COMMENTS] This set lets slower Pokemon, such as Clamperl or un-Scarfed Meditite, sweep. Since Scyther’s Speed hits 17 with no bonuses and he’ll still be outspeeding Yanma on the first turn but always behind Sneasel, he can just Agility and pass the bonus. With Aerial Ace, he can KO an opposing Yanma while Quick Attack lets him break Sneasel’s sash for the boost recipient. [SET] Name: Pure LO Sweeper Move 1: Brick Break Move 2: Aerial Ace Move 3: Double Hit/X-Scissor Move 4: Quick Attack Item: Focus Sash / Lum Berry Ability: Technician Nature: Adamant EVs: EVs: 196 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spd [SET COMMENTS] This set is used best as late-game clean up after Yanma and Sneasel are gone. Brick Break for dealing with Aron or Cranidos, Aerial Ace for Meditite as well as STAB. Double Hit can break subs and gets phenomenal neutral coverage, while X-Scissor can add more power to Scyther's overall arsenal. Quick Attack to kill faster things that survive the first hit, like Scarfers. [SET] Name: Swarm Sweeper Move 1: Agility/Endure Move 2: Counter Move 3: Reversal/Quick Attack Move 4: X-Scissor Item: Focus Sash / Salac Berry /Liechi Berry Ability: Swarm Nature: Adamant EVs: 196 HP / 196 Atk / 76 Spd IVs: 0 Def, 0 SpD [SET COMMENTS] A pretty gimmicky set. Scyther uses Agility on the switch to Sneasel, Agility again while it uses Swords Dance, and then Counter on the Ice Shard. Reversal lets him get a 200 BP move, while Quick Attack lets him finish off a Sashed Sneasel. This set is generally inferior, since Scyther can’t hit Yanma for shit. A Pinch Berry and Endure can also be used to activate Swarm and boost speed. [SET] Name: Crit-whore Move 1: Quick Attack Move 2: Focus Energy Move 3: Slash Move 4: Night Slash Item: Razor Claw Ability: Technician Nature: Adamant EVs: 196 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 236 Spd [SET COMMENTS] Scyther uses Focus Energy and proceeds to Crit 1/3 of the time. This set is 100% gimmick and is not suggested in a tourney or other competitive uses. It isn’t reliable, but it can be fun to see your opponent lose their mind and panic over repeated Crits. Murkrow does this better with Super Luck. [SET] Name: MrDoctorProfessor Evil [Specs] Move 1: Air Slash Move 2: Silver Wind/Bug Buzz Move 3: HP Rock/Fighting 60 Move 4: Hyper Beam/Razor Wind Item: Choice Specs Ability: Technician/Swarm Nature: Modest EVs: 36 HP / 236 SpA / 236 Spd [SET COMMENTS] 100% gimmick. Scyther hits 24 Special Attack with Specs and Modest. The moves are the entirety of his Special movepool. Use Technician if you’re using Silverwind. Otherwise, use Swarm for double STAB on Bug Buzz when he loses HP. Beaten by Sneasel, Yanma, and Tangela. Hyper Beam hits harder than Razor Wind, but makes him recharge after. Razor Wind requires one turn of charging. Hyper Beam is almost always better. Only for messing around, this set is not recommended for tournaments or any form of competitive play. [Other Options] Roost can be used to negate LO Recoil. Safeguard stops Yanma’s Hypnosis. Double Hit is usable outside of the Scarf set and lets it break a Sash and then KO the Sashed Pokemon while adding a lot of neutral coverage. Pursuit can be used to get Choice users that flee when they see Scyther, such as Scarftite using Hi-Jump Kick. Swords Dance passing to CB Meditite lets it OHKO everything it hits neutral with Bullet Punch. Anything else is a 2HKO. [EVs] Go for max Attack and add 2 points to each defense with the last points going into his Speed. On a non-agility set, max Attack and Speed and dump the rest into HP. [Opinion] Scyther is a monster. If Scyther was Godzilla, the OU LC Pokemon would be the Japanese people he likes to eat so much. This thing is broken beyond all belief. It has defenses rivaling Bronzor, the third-highest attack (behind Cranidos and Meditite), and the second-highest Speed in all of LC. Scyther also has the most options and widest movepool of all the Ubers, to the point where he can be considered the Mew of LC. It has such an incredible movepool and stats, but it’s overshadowed by Sneasel and Yanma in different respects. What really sets it apart is its unique Baton-Passing capabilities and overall superb stats, compared to the very specialized stats one usually sees in LC, such as Murkrow and Cranidos. Because it has no counters and there really isn't a way to stop one short of Sneasel+SR, it has been banned and will remain so forever. [Counters] None. Nothing boasts the speed nor power to OHKO Scyther after taking an X-Scissor or Aerial Ace switching in. However, its Revenge Killers are numerous in number. Yanma outspeeds non-boosted Scyther with one Speed Boost. Sneasel can Swords Dance with Sash and then KO with Ice Shard. However, due to Scyther’s ability to boost itself as well as access to a pseudo-STAB Priority move, even these are not concretely able to beat it. SR+Ice Shard beats it for sure and that's all. Beyond that, Meditite can OHKO Scyther with Psycho Cut, but won't enjoy Aerial Ace. Tangela's Ancient Power gets Scyther in the Sun, but otherwise it falls to both of Scythers SE moves. Clamperl can OHKO with Ice Beam and can take a hit, but good luck switching it in AND getting the hit. If Scyther has a Swords Dance, then Clamperl is dead. Edited by Vader, Sep 3 2008, 09:24 PM.
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| Chris | Aug 30 2008, 04:55 AM Post #2 |
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emphasize more how horribly unbalanced scyther is. |
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| Seven Deadly Sins | Aug 30 2008, 06:04 AM Post #3 |
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KD24 banned Tangela
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Seriously, needs moar WTF ARE YOU THINKING up in here. |
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| eric the espeon | Aug 30 2008, 11:08 AM Post #4 |
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You should remove Agilty as an option from standard as you have an agility sweeper with almost the same moves. You need a CB set. Specs and Crit could be put into OO really, but if you want they can stay. |
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| Kannon | Aug 30 2008, 04:34 PM Post #5 |
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Needs moar mention of U-Turn on the Choice set |
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[14:29] <%Kannon> what resists water/flying [14:29] <+MantykeKnight> ice ?_? suck on that SDS | |
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| TPM | Aug 30 2008, 05:15 PM Post #6 |
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Vader, any set mentioning Focus Sash needs to note that its completely screwed over when SR is up, which is almost guaranteed when not using it as a lead. |
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| Dixie | Aug 30 2008, 05:18 PM Post #7 |
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the SD set should have Brick Break > X-Scissor so you arent walled by everyone's favourite Shieldon / Aron ![]() Aerial Ace is more powerful anyway and will OHKO virtually everything with a SD. Also needs an all-out attack LO set |
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| Vader | Aug 30 2008, 05:19 PM Post #8 |
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Added moar SR warning, Scyther can haz moar U-Turn, and noting the severe brokenness of the Scyther has been added in, including an amusing analogy to Godzilla and the Japanese. EDIT: Added the LO Sweeper Edited by Vader, Aug 30 2008, 05:29 PM.
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| Fishin | Sep 2 2008, 10:59 PM Post #9 |
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factoring
Did you mean Shieldon? |
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| Chris | Sep 3 2008, 05:04 AM Post #10 |
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Yanma can't revenge Scyther. If Scyther predicts the protect and SDs again, Quick Attack is a OHKO. CH set is stupid. Critical hits are less reliable Swords Dances. CB set needs Brick Break. Nothing resists Fighting / Flying. Edited by Chris, Sep 3 2008, 08:05 AM.
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| Dixie | Sep 6 2008, 08:40 PM Post #11 |
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tbh I don't see the point of tailoring this to ubers when we don't even have an established metagame for it (and it will pretty much be top heavy as fuck since nothing in OU nor Ubers can even stop Scyther, Sneasel and Yanma). Nothing wrong with mentioning that X move hits an uber pokemon SE but saying "this and that is good in ubers" is to premature. |
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