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Gible; Lots to finish, but it's up!
Topic Started: Jul 25 2008, 01:30 AM (1,358 Views)
The Milkman

Don't be too hard on me with this. It's my first time doing something like this.

Gible!


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Stats Base Min- Min Max Max+
HP----58---N/A--22--25--N/A
Atk---70---11---13--16--17
Def---45---9----11--14--15
SpA---40---9----10--13--14
SpD---45---9----11--14--15
Spd---42---9----10--13--14




[SET]
Name: Choice Scarfer
Move 1: Stone Edge
Move 2: Earthquake
Move 3: Dragon Claw/Outrage
Move 4: Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 196 Atk/180 Spd/116 SpA

[COMMENTS]

<p> The set that makes the best use out of what Gible has(which isn't a lot compared to other Pokemon). Choice Scarf makes Gible's 14 Spd into a slightly better 21 Spd, which it can then use to hit faster than it's other viable counterpart. This set is straightforward. Just predict and hit fast. But Ice Shard will totally smash this hard, so look out for Snover and other Ice Sharders. </p>

<p> This Pokemon always needs double STAB, so that's what the move 2 and move 3 is for. Dragon Claw over Outrage is entirely choice, since the Choice Scarf will make him use that move like Outrage. Dragon Claw will always make sure that you can get an attack in if it survives past the 3-5 turn break that Outrage would lock him into. If you think that he's extremely frail(and he is) go with Outrage, the stronger STAB with worse long turn effects. </p>

<p> Move 1 was there just because it's a good physical move that can benefit off of a good Spd. It can be changed for any move he learns that's physical. Flamethrower/Fire Blast is there for Bronzor and Bronzor only. All of Gible's other moves are completely walled by Bronzor, and you need something to deal with it. Fire Blast 2HKO Bronzor with the bonus by the EVs and Flamethrower has a probable 2HKO with a more likely 3HKO. But considering Fire Blast's accuracy, they have the same chance to KO over the same amount of turns. </p>


[SET]
Name: Swords Dancer
Move 1: Swords Dance
Move 2: Earthquake
Move 3: Dragon Claw
Move 4: Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Item: Life Orb/Yache Berry/Focus Sash
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 196 Atk/180 Spd/116 SpA


[COMMENTS]
<p> From OU with love. If any of you play OU(and I know all of you do), you're familiar with this. Swords Dance first turn, and with your rampant 32 Atk, sweep the opponent into oblivion with your double STAB. If you find yourself looking at a KO in one or 2 turns, you can forgo the Swords Dance for the immediate STAB attack. It might be working off of half the Atk, but even with that, 16 Atk is still awsome for sweeping, even if it's just a dent for your revenge sweeper.</p>

<p> The items are really important on him, with something with 10 Def and 11 SpD. Life Orb will compensate for when you can't Swords Dance. In that case, you'll be adding x1.3 to a 16 Atk attack, which makes great, awsome. But with a Swords Dance, it's x1.3 on a 32 Atk attack, which makes awsome, totally awsome. </p>

<p> If you don't really want to use the Life Orb, then you could go for two other items. Yache Berry will keep Gible safe from the Ice attacks that threaten him for a KO, which is further enhanced by his extremely horrible defenses. Speaking of defenses, the other possible item will compensate for his defenses in more ways than just protecting from Ice. The Focus Sash will make sure critical hits and other powerful attacks working off of a better Spd(which will obviously happen). The only problem is that it leaves you with less HP than a Yache Berry. So, the contest between using Yache Berry over Focus Sash is, at it's core is defensive versatility vs. more protection.</p>

<p> Since Gible can't learn anything that benefits from his Atk which can hit Bronzor for neutral or Super Effective, he will have to work off of his less than average SpA. So, he uses Flamethrower or Fire Blast, with a SpA boost. It can hit hard for Super Effective damage, and therefore isn't walled by Bronzor anymore.</p>

Almost finished! I have one more set to put up and then the final words. It will be done by Monday night!
Edited by The Milkman, Jul 25 2008, 10:28 PM.
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I've had a lot of success with the following:

Gible @ Brightpowder
Hasty (+ Spd, - Def)
Sand Veil
EVs: 196 Atk, 116 Sp. Atk, 180 Spd

~ Earthquake
~ Fire Blast
~ Draco Meteor
~ Stone Edge

Avoids things and catches things off guard. EQ for STAB, Fire Blast for Bronzor (I really hate that thing >.<), Draco Meteor for killing stuff and Stone Edge for everything else.

And for the record, I don't play OU. I play UU, NU and LC. =P
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I will NOT hold off on criticisms until you're done. Rock Smash is a horrible move with no point. Like OU Garchomp, Flamethrower/Fire Blast remains a superior option so you don't get completely walled by Bronzor. With no SpA investment and a neutral nature, Fire Blast is a guaranteed 2HKO (though Oran Berry poses a problem), and Flamethrower gives the possibility of getting minimum damage then maximum, a perfect 2HKO that doesn't trigger a berry.

I'm not sure if you were planning on adding this, but Scarf Gible hits 21 speed. Just a thought.
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Banded Gible 2HKOs pretty much everything with Outrage, and OHKOs most everything.
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Rock Smash really is godawful. Don't ever think of using it on anything, ever.

As for sets, if you really think you can survive an attack (PROTIP: Not likely) while you Swords Dance, then toss a Salac Berry in. If it procs, you'll have a super-sexy 21 speed and 36 attack with some damn good type coverage.

Also, the word you're looking for is "rampant". Rampid is not a word, and it makes you look sloppy.
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SDS, Ice resists Water. Ground doesn't resist Rock.
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Back. Will see in the next week or so how much I can contribute.

Fire move>Rock Smash

SDance set should have low priority in the analysis, it will die to any ice move with just 14 speed. Scarf set should be the priority.
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Gible really isn't good in Little Cup. Yeah, Swords Dance is a plus, but he'd much prefer Dragon Dance to patch his god awful Speed. Not to mention his Attack is below average.

If Gible is OHKO'd, Oran Berry won't matter at all. Considering his awful defenses and his Ice weakness, he's a goner.

Ice is very common for Gligar mostly.

I know it's your first time, but if we're not critical then we won't have a good analysis...
Edited by Chris, Jul 25 2008, 06:40 PM.
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Chris I pray to god that you arent insinuating that Gible learns Dragon Dance. It seemed like your post suggested that and that you were saying DD > Swords Dance on Gible.

Please respond saying something like "No I meant gible in general is terrible and would need Dragon Dance to be a threat" ;)
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As I said, a Salac Berry might be good just on the off-hand chance that he lands at 25% HP after Dancing. But yeah, Swords Dance should be WAY low on the list. Banded Gible 2HKOs pretty much everything with Outrage, and OHKOs most everything. And Scarfed Gible packs some insane power with that "Fuck You" 21 speed that lets him beat every non-scarfer.
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Jul 26 2008, 03:35 AM
Banded Gible 2HKOs pretty much everything with Outrage, and OHKOs most everything.
Sorry, but seeing as how I need a sig, this will have to do.

I'm liking the idea of Salac over Choice Scarf. The last thing Gible needs is a weakness to Bronzor.
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Banded Gible 2HKOs pretty much everything with Outrage, and OHKOs most everything.
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With Gible's defenses, I don't think Yache Berry will be enough for you to survive an Ice Beam. You don't have a single set with more than 22 HP and 9 SpD. Sorry, but Gible will not be taking an Ice attack from anything, even with Yache Berry.
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Jul 25 2008, 08:23 PM
Chris I pray to god that you arent insinuating that Gible learns Dragon Dance. It seemed like your post suggested that and that you were saying DD > Swords Dance on Gible.

Please respond saying something like "No I meant gible in general is terrible and would need Dragon Dance to be a threat" ;)
That's what I meant.

SDS, do you have Garchomp fever or something? Gible's offensive power is mediocre at best, it has trouble 2HKOing everything with Outrage. Every Steel type walls it, and I bet even Gligar doesn't really mind it.
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I can check the damage calcs if you want, not that it matters.

Adamant CB Outrage versus 252/252+ Gligar: 15 - 18 (57.69% - 69.23%)

Versus 252/252+ Bronzor: 8 - 10 (32.00% - 40.00%)

Versus 252/252 Koffing: 15 - 18 (75.00% - 90.00%)

Yeah, Adamant CB Outrage hits like a monster, and Aron/Shieldon/Bronzor are going to be the only things that can really take a hit from it, and not even that well. Sure, it doesn't have the speed or the bulk to actually be scary, but by no means should one discount the raw power of CB Gible's Outrage.

EDIT: Without Oran Berry, Gligar is always a 2HKO, and even with, it's still an easy 3HKO. Basically, if any of the counters to CB Gible have taken any damage beforehand, they'll get smoked by it. Or, you can use CB Gible to soften up enemy walls before letting real stars take the battlefield. I'll probably be testing it out soon, so I guess I'll see if it works, but I see some nasty potential here. If I find a useful set, I'll certainly be posting it.
Edited by Seven Deadly Sins, Jul 27 2008, 12:12 PM.
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SDS, Ice resists Water. Ground doesn't resist Rock.
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I just checked Serebii's pokedex (Smogon wasn't working for me today) and it says Gible and Gabite can't learn Swords Dance...

Is this correct or am I missing something big here?
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SDS, the problem with CB Outrage is it makes revenge killing too easy. Gible will HAVE to stay in, and thus any of the many Ice Sharders or Ice Beamers, hell maybe even Chinchou if you're nuts will OHKO him. It's nothing like he is in DP.

Mantyke, I think you're right. The OP is advised to quit theory-monning and come back to this when they've looked at a movedex. I'm not sure if I want to lock this or not, but I may or may not have done that once or twice too...
Edited by Chris, Jul 27 2008, 04:23 PM.
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Very few of the Ice Beamers can come into a CB Outrage, and the few that can and are bulky enough to do so aren't able to outrun said Gible. I'm pretty sure the only Ice Sharder that sees any use in LC is Snover, though I may be wrong. In any case, if Gible can find itself in a place where it can get said CB Outrage off, it does insane amounts of damage.
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