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| How Smogon's testing will affect LC. | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 21 2008, 10:35 AM (1,238 Views) | |
| eric the espeon | Jul 21 2008, 10:35 AM Post #1 |
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Lati@s Mew Manaphy Garchomp Darkrai Arceus Evasion Clause Species Clause UU Tiers OHKO Clause Stealth Rock These are the things Smogon plans to test and sort out, how will these change LC? Already we can cross off Lati@s, Mew, Manaphy, Garchomp, Darkrai, and Arceus as they affect specific Pokemon none of which will EVER be in LC. We can now get rid of UU Tiers as they do not affect LC. This leaves us with: Evasion Clause Species Clause OHKO Clause Stealth Rock I think that for now we should follow Smogon's lead on the 3 clauses and copy their choices as they are intended for all tiers (and because right now we are kinda too small to have a full scale debate like what Smogon can do, but at a later stage we should revisit these clauses), SR however I believe is integral to Little Cup. It stops every team from carrying 2-3 sash'ed Pokemon or a weather starter. In the massively offensive environment of LC almost everything can be 1KOd so that extra turn FS gives is invaluable. I do not expect SR to be banned from OU but this is preempting just in case, if SR gets baned I think we should keep it legal for LC matches. |
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| tentaintcool | Jul 21 2008, 10:44 AM Post #2 |
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Hm.. Evasion Clause seems like it might be overpowered in Little Cup, but I don't see any reason why we couldn't test it. OHKO Clause should be tested, but even if OHKO moves are legalised I seriously doubt they'd affect the metagame much. Species clause... I really don't see this ever being legalised, however we could have a testing period. Stealth Rock shouldn't even be tested in my opinion, it's nowhere near as dominant as it is on standard, I hardly ever see a atch with SR these days. As mentioned it also deals with Sashers. |
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| squirtleboy12 | Jul 21 2008, 12:25 PM Post #3 |
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evasion of clause isnt really necessary as you might just be wasting a pokemon trying to set up in a fast-attacking metagame were speed is everything species clause might need some testing stealth rock dosnt particuly affect LC as much as in standard but might need some testing |
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| Elevator Music | Jul 21 2008, 02:30 PM Post #4 |
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I don't really think Evasion Clause is nearly as helpful here as it is in standard play. Stealth Rock banning is a bad idea in both metagames (imo). I'd rather not see more than one Diglett or Murkrow on a team thanks. OHKO Clause... I'd rather not unban them though they really aren't that broken seeing as there are plenty of pokes that get OHKOd anyways. Though things like Bronzor would be kinda screwed. |
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| Chris | Jul 21 2008, 02:36 PM Post #5 |
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Little Cup I think is different than OU, so the clauses should be held on a case by case basis. Evasion Clause - It's probably more dangerous in Little Cup than it is in OU, really. Evasion Clause makes the game more fun and less annoying, and no one likes annoying. SR's banning is bad for Little Cup. It's not like it really nerfs anything, plus it keeps Focus Sash in check. Not to mention that there's a bigger risk to setting it up in Little Cup then there might be in OU. No Species Clause removal please. It's just annoying and stupid. Redundant coverage works too well with it. OHKO Clause in Little Cup is probably not as bad as everything can be 3HKOed anyway, but I still don't like to play against it. No one will want to play a game that's no fun to play against. Edited by Chris, Jul 21 2008, 03:39 PM.
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| Acredula | Jul 21 2008, 03:16 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah. These clauses were made for a reason. Chris, you mean less fun and more annoying, right? If SR does anything, it helps keep Murkrow in check from being overpowered, if even on the field. |
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| eric the espeon | Jul 21 2008, 03:20 PM Post #7 |
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mm The majority of opinion here looks like people support testing at least some of the clauses for LC, independent of what Smogon ends up doing. Adding a Poll. I voted for option 2. This is a new and very different metagame from OU and I don't see why we should carry over their clauses at all. I propose we remove all the standard clauses (bar Species and Set Damage) and only introduce the others (OHKO, Evasion, ect..) if the thing they ban becomes a problem. Edited by eric the espeon, Jul 21 2008, 03:30 PM.
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| Acredula | Jul 21 2008, 04:31 PM Post #8 |
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I wanted two and three, but I broke the tie again and went for two. Both are pretty much the same, imo. |
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| eric the espeon | Jul 21 2008, 04:36 PM Post #9 |
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No. With 1 we just copy OU's clauses and add a couple to make LC better (like the no set damage move clause) and do not try to remove un-needed clauses. With 2 we start again without presuming any clauses should be active. With 3 we start with OU's clauses and test them out one by one. |
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| Cooper | Jul 21 2008, 04:58 PM Post #10 |
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Went with option 3. I'm a big fan of testing things, and some clauses seem viable, like the OHKO clause. I don't want to rule anything out just because it looks too good (i.e. Sneasel). |
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| Elevator Music | Jul 21 2008, 05:36 PM Post #11 |
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I have a really big question I've wanted to ask for a while. Why are we fixing something that isn't broken? |
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| Kamen Rider | Jul 21 2008, 07:55 PM Post #12 |
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Went with 2 cause Im all for testing things out, though Im pretty sure that most of them will turn out like OU decisions. |
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| EvilBob | Jul 21 2008, 10:40 PM Post #13 |
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SR is far from broken in LC, and it's existence is pretty necessary, this the fact that it's hard to setup alone makes sashes generally stronger in LC than normal. |
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| Magmortified | Jul 22 2008, 01:09 AM Post #14 |
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OU is OU. LC is LC. This applies so much so that anything that rattles OU is rarely going to apply directly to Little Cup. Sure, a few of the arguments concerning clauses might slip through, but otherwise we're looking at something that's altogether independent. |
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| Acredula | Jul 22 2008, 06:36 PM Post #15 |
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No, they end out the same way. But 2 seems more fun. xD I agree with Mag. Anything concerning OU probably won't be such a large problem in LC. Like SR. I can see Double Team being viable on something like Bronzor, but otherwise, not really. Since everything is Lv. 5, OHKOs won't be such a problem. If anything, they'll make Aron and Sheildon more popular. |
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