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| Torchic; The other white meat | |
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| tsukikage | Jul 1 2008, 03:52 PM Post #1 |
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Torchic
[SET] name: Special Choice move 1: Overheat move 2: Hidden Power [Grass] move 3: Rock Slide move 4: Flamethrower / Sleep Talk item: Choice Specs / Choice Scarf ability: Blaze nature: Hasty evs: 36 Def/200 SpA/36 SpD/236 Spe [SET COMMENTS] With a choice set, you'll be switching out a lot anyway, so Overheat is the best option. Hidden Power Grass hits Water, Ground, and Rock types that come in and try to ruin your day. Rock Slide can hit other Fire types for some damage. Sleep Talk allows Torchic to become a sleep absorber, but Flamethrower could be used in this slot as well. [SET] name: Physical move 1: Quick Attack move 2: Night Slash/Shadow Claw move 3: Rock Slide move 4: Overheat/Fire Blast item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf/Life Orb ability: Blaze nature: Hasty evs: 76 HP/196 Atk/236 Spe [SET COMMENTS] Quick Attack gives Torchic much needed priority. Night Slash versus Shadow Claw is basically preference. Shadow Claw doesn't hit Normals, but Night Slash is not very effective to Fighting. Torchic doesn't have any physical fire moves, so Overheat or Fireblast will have to do. [SET] name: Baton Pass move 1: Swords Dance move 2: Agility move 3: Baton Pass move 4: Flamethrower/Fire Blast item: Focus Sash ability: Blaze nature: Timid evs: 76 HP/196 SpA/236 Spe [SET COMMENTS] Torchic can pass both Agility and Swords Dance. Focus Sash gets you a free turn to Agility or Swords Dance, preferably Agility so you have a chance of going first next turn. Afterward, Pass off to the recipient. Overheat is not an option on this set, as you don't want to pass negative Special Attack. [SET] name: Agilichic move 1: Agility move 2: Flamethrower/Fire Blast move 3: Hidden Power [Grass] move 4: Quick Attack/Baton Pass item: Life Orb ability: Blaze nature: Hasty evs: 40 Attack/200 SpA/236 Spe [SET COMMENTS] Agility makes up for Torchic's speed, or lack there of. Fire and Grass makes a great attacking combo. Quick Attack lets you finish off Focus Sashed foes. Baton Pass, though makes this set twice as useful by sharing your new found speed with others. [OTHER OPTIONS] Aerial Ace, Return, and Counter are good attacking moves, but they don't give Torchic more type coverage. Will-O-Wisp can be used to burn foes, but Torchic has better things to be doing with its time. Mirror Move could be fun to use, but would require major prediction. With its low speed, Torchic can be used in a Trick Room team with no Speed EVs and IVs. [EVS] Maxing speed and the attacking is always the main priority because Torchic probably isn't surviving much even with defensive EV investment. [OPINION] Both of Torchics attacking stats end in zero, only needing 196 EVs to max, however, 45 Base Speed really hurts Torchic. Trick Room can make Torchic a star, but otherwise, it really requires a Scarf or Agility to even compete. [COUNTERS] Anything faster than Torchic with a Super Effective attack can get an easy KO, and that's a lot of stuff. Even things slower that know Aqua Jet can KO. Munchlax normally handles Torchic quite well other, even surviving a Brick Break at full HP and OHKOing back with any attack, but primarily EQ. Mantyke takes Torchic well, and Surf hurts Torchic a lot. Edited by eric the espeon, Apr 16 2009, 04:26 PM.
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| Chris | Jul 1 2008, 08:46 PM Post #2 |
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Torchic gets Fire Punch via Emerald Tutors, I think. That's the only thing I think might be off. Oh, and maybe Earthquake / Brick Break for Sheildon / Munchlax on the CBer. |
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| Someone | Jul 1 2008, 08:58 PM Post #3 |
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Torchic has no arms. Therefore, it can't punch. Lol on Torchic getting Earthquake. Meaning it doesn't. On a weird note Torchic doesn't get Brick Break. Edited by Someone, Jul 1 2008, 08:59 PM.
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| tsukikage | Jul 2 2008, 01:22 PM Post #4 |
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Indeed, as Someone said above me, Torchic doesn't get any of those moves except Brick Break which I will edit in. Edited by tsukikage, Jul 2 2008, 01:24 PM.
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| Someone | Jul 2 2008, 11:48 PM Post #5 |
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No one shall be editing in Brick Break as only Torchic's evolutions GET Brick Break. No I am not kidding. Seriously. EDIT: Shoddy you buggy program. It SHOULDN'T get Brick Break, but it is listed. Decide, same issue as Onix getting Crunch. ANOTHER EDIT JUST IN CASE: Check Serebii >.> http://serebii.net/attackdex-dp/brickbreak.shtml http://serebii.net/pokedex-dp/255.shtml Edited by Someone, Jul 2 2008, 11:55 PM.
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| tsukikage | Jul 3 2008, 12:41 AM Post #6 |
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Someone: That's interesting. I'll have to get out Diamond to see for sure or not, but when I find out, or if a mod knows for sure, then I'll take it out again, but seeing as Shoddy had it, it is on there for now. |
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| bahohns | Apr 16 2009, 03:26 PM Post #7 |
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The Choice Specs set shouldn't have Swift, not under any circumstances. I can't think of any Pokemon (at the moment) that is hit harder by Swift than Flamethrower and HP Grass, as even Fire types, which resist both moves, take more from STAB Flamethrower. That slot would probably be better filled with either a physical, coverage filler (switch the nature to Hasty/Mild), probably Rock Slide for Fire types, or Will'o'Wisp, allowing Torchic to burn switch-ins. Assuming in an opponent switched in, say, Munchlax, because they wanted a universal switch-in that could take both HP Grass and Flamethrower with no problems (high HP, Special Defense, Thick Fat). You could burn it on the switch and, so long as you don't miss, you would've burned a rather potent threat, crippling its offenses and survivability. This situation could apply to other counters (or you may just land a random Burn when you should've used HP Grass) but the move itself is far better for the set than an option that is pure filler, like Swift. |
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| eric the espeon | Apr 16 2009, 04:27 PM Post #8 |
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Added Swift and changed a few things. Not going to try to make this analysis really good, it basically needs a rewrite. |
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