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| tsukikage | Jun 23 2008, 07:11 PM Post #1 |
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Gastly
[SET] name: Choice Specs (Standard) move 1: Shadow Ball move 2: Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Ice move 3: Sludge Bomb / Hypnosis / Explosion move 4: Thuderbolt item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf ability: Levitate nature: Naive / Rash evs: 36 HP / 200 SpA / 200 Spe [SET COMMENTS] Hypnosis is for a fast sleep, while Explosion is for a big boom. If none of those 2 tickle your fancy, then Sludge Bomb will be a great choice thanks to STAB. Choose you Hidden Power to create one of two combos, Ghost/Fighting, or Electric/Ice. Choice Scarf can also be used in place of Choice Specs for much more speed. [SET] name: Double Status move 1: Hypnosis move 2: Will-O-Wisp move 3: Shadow Ball move 4: Hidden Power [Fighting] item: Life Orb ability: Levitate nature: Timid/Modest evs: 36 HP / 200 SpA / 200 Spe [SET COMMENTS] Not the best thing Gastly could be doing but it works rather effectively. Sleep one Poke, and burn the one switching in. If you can, KO with one of your attacks, otherwise get out of there. [SET] name: Destiny Bond move 1: Substitute move 2: Destiny Bond move 3: Shadow Ball move 4: Hidden Power [Fighting] / Thunderbolt item: Salac Berry / Petaya Berry ability: Levitate nature: Timid / Modest evs: 36 HP / 200 SpA / 200 Spe [SET COMMENTS] Again, not something Gastly is great at doing, but still effective. Sub down until the berry is activated and when the time is right, take them with you with Destiny Bond. The attacks could potentially get a KO before going down. [SET] name: Choice Band Surprise move 1: Thunderpunch move 2: Ice Punch move 3: Fire Punch / Sucker Punch move 4: Explosion item: Choice Band ability: Levitate nature: Adamant evs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 196 Spe [SET COMMENTS] Explosion is a D/P TM while the punches are 3rd gen Move Tutors and D.P egg moves. This set has the potential to surprise a lot of enemies with physical attacks while scoring super effective on a wide array of opponents. When Gastly time is up, go boom with Explosion. [OTHER OPTIONS] Confuse Ray could be used, probably on the status set in place of Hypnosis or Will-O-Wisp. Stat ups aren't that common, but Haze could be used. Psychic and Sludge Bomb are great special attacks that could see some use. Energy Ball will easily take care of Rhyhorn and Onix, 2 major threats to Gastly. Gastly can use Mean Look and Perish Song to Perish Trap although it does not work that well in LC. [EVS] Max out Special Attack and Speed as the other stats are pretty much beyond help. On the Choice Band set, max Attack rather than Special Attack. [OPINION] Gastly can come in quite easily thanks to its 3 resistances to common attacking types, and its Speed and Special Attack aren't the best, but are pretty great in their own right. Gastly has two stats that max out with 196 EVs and they just so happen to be the stats that need maxing, so it has plenty of extra EVs to spread around. [COUNTERS] If Gastly is choiced into Shadow Ball, any normal type can come in unscathed. This includes Munchlax which can Pursuit or Zen Headbutt for Super Effective. Other than that, Gastly has a lot of versatility which can make it hard to counter. Scarfed or Rock Polish Cranidos can KO with a Mold Breaker Earthquake. Diglett, Murkrow, Houndour, and anything that learns Pursuit and/or Sucker Punch easily destroys Gastly. ---------- Comments, fixes, etc. Should the physical set be moved to Other Options? I edited some stuff in. Fixed names. Energy Ball added to extra options. Leave the CB set for now, just because of CB Self-Destruct. It appears you are suffering from Slash-titus =/ ~KD24 Edited by tsukikage, Jul 2 2008, 01:40 PM.
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| Dixie | Jun 23 2008, 07:21 PM Post #2 |
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Back. Will see in the next week or so how much I can contribute.
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For the first set, rename it choice so it is less ambiguous. For move 3, I don't think hypnosis is too useful, as it is on scarfgar in OU, I think Eric used sludge bomb to success on a scarfed gastly so it is worth a mention in slot 3. For the life orb set, I'd drop WoW and go with Thunderbolt, that Gengar is a late game sweeper, it should be hitting pokemon not trying to cripple them for other pokemon to feed on. For set 3 I think ~Sub ~Shadow Ball ~Thunderbolt / HP Fighting ~Destiny Bond @ Salac/Petaya would be more effective, Subgastly is very effective, avoiding random sucker punches and status and makes you less vulnerable to houndour or murkrow's pursuits. The physical set is Other Options material, Gastly has better things to do. Counters is too vague atm, Munchlax needs definite mention and perhaps porygon too, especially his ability to pursuit. Also you need to mention the ability of Murkrow and Houndour to pursuit it. Magmemite is a good non-HP fighting gastly counter and if Bronzor carries psychic it can counter gastly decently Edited by Dixie, Jun 23 2008, 07:24 PM.
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| tsukikage | Jun 23 2008, 09:09 PM Post #3 |
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Fixed everything except moving physical to other options. When I get the wording right, I'll move it down. |
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| kd24 | Jun 23 2008, 09:43 PM Post #4 |
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See if you can try and limit the number of slashes you have. I took out thunderbolt on the double status set because uh ... it kind of ruins the point of double status by having a move listed next to one of the status moves. |
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| kd24 | Jun 23 2008, 09:44 PM Post #5 |
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Dixie, Double Status works great in LC with all the physical attackers. What is better then Will-O-Wisping Murkroq on the switch in, then Sleeping their only other counter? If anything, Thunderbolt would have to be listed under a new set. |
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| Deck Knight | Jun 24 2008, 10:35 AM Post #6 |
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Explosion is a TM (64) in DP and Gastly gets the elemental punches via breeding. Give Gengar or Dusclops the punches in Emerald and just breed with a female Gastly. You can only get Selfdestruct in Colleseum IIRC. Also, when did Gastly get 70 Base Defense? It should be 30. Might want to check your numbers too. Why does the Perish Trapping set have Life Orb, Lum or Oran Berry would work better. Edited by Deck Knight, Jun 24 2008, 10:35 AM.
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| Someone | Jul 1 2008, 09:35 PM Post #7 |
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Ok this needs to be revived. Choice Band Surprise Set Comments is outdated. 76 HP EV's need to be 36 HP EV's. Leftover EV's on the sets that don't invest in Defense and had 76 HP EV's may now do so. (I just totally said revive on a topic involving a Ghost Pokemon lol) |
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| Chris | Jul 1 2008, 09:41 PM Post #8 |
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Perish Trapping really doesn't work in Little Cup; Gastly can't take hits for shit and you'd have probably killed the opponent in the time it takes to outstall Perish Song. You don't understand Surprise. Surprise value is extremely overrated; only good when the set has a significant coverage advantage over the standard set. Running elemental punches and a Fighting move on something that already 2HKO's Munchlax is an absolute gimmick that has no reason to exist. Oh, my bad, you're not even running Focus Punch. Why not? Shadow Ball does more to Bronzor, HP Ice does more to anything Ice weak, and you can plop Explosion on the sandard set and still OHKO everything. I'd STRONGLY suggest you stop writing analyses and lurk a bit, playing with ALL the sets listed and / or getting a better intuitive sense of viability. Edited by Chris, Jul 1 2008, 09:42 PM.
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| tsukikage | Jul 2 2008, 01:39 PM Post #9 |
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Chris: I was going to move the Choice Band set to other options, but both eric and KD24 told me to keep it. Moving the Perish Trapping set there now though, and if you feel that strongly about it, I'll stop for now. Again, sorry, for anything.
Edited by tsukikage, Jul 2 2008, 01:44 PM.
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| Chris | Jul 2 2008, 10:35 PM Post #10 |
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eric hasn't been on here, and there's no post by him or KinglerDude... |
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| tsukikage | Jul 3 2008, 12:38 AM Post #11 |
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Read the bottom of the first post in italics. >_> Edited by tsukikage, Jul 3 2008, 12:39 AM.
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| eric the espeon | Aug 13 2008, 03:48 PM Post #12 |
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This is one of the few analysis threads I have not read for a long time... here we go! All set comments need expanding, as does Counters and Opinion. The first set should be called Choice and have this moveset: move 1: Shadow Ball move 2: Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Ice / Sludge Bomb move 3: Hypnosis / Explosion move 4: Thunderbolt There should be another set added called Standerd with this moveset: move 1: Shadow Ball move 2: Explosion move 3: Hypnosis move 4: Thunderbolt / Sludge Bomb item: Life Orb / Focus Sash Double Status is probably not very useful, but W-o-W can be in OO. D bond should only have Salac as an item choice. CB is a bad option... but with Sucker Punch and Explode it is probably just about worth keeping. All sets should use a + Speed nature. EV's should explain how to fix EV's when using HP's. |
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| Chris | Aug 18 2008, 11:11 PM Post #13 |
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I think he's abandoned this. Mind if I do it? |
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