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| hellmonkey | Jun 23 2008, 03:39 PM Post #1 |
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Rattata
[SET] name: Guts move 1: Protect move 2: Facade move 3: Sucker Punch move 4: U-Turn item: Flame Orb ability: Guts nature: Jolly / Hasty evs: 36 HP / 228 Atk / 182 Spe [SET COMMENTS] <p>A set that makes use of Rattata's only useful ability: Guts. Protect to stay safe from attacks and undesired status conditions while Flame Orb burns you and activates Guts. Now you have at your disposal a STAB 140 power move at 22 Attack, coupled with decent Speed and a priority move in Sucker Punch to hit those Ghosts that think they are safe from your Facade.</p> <p>The last move is to hit the opponent when he brings something Rattata cannot hurt, or to scout switches.</p> [SET] name: Choice move 1: Return move 2: Sucker Punch move 3: U-Turn move 4: Quick Attack / Iron Tail item: Choice Band / Choice Scarf ability: Guts nature: Jolly / Adamant evs: 36HP / 228Atk / 182Spe [SET COMMENTS] <p>Classic hit and run set. Return will be used as your main offense, Sucker Punch for those Ghost-types, U-Turn for scouting switches and a fourth move up for choosing: Quick Attack may help you get the first hit on fast but frail opponents; while Iron Tail is your best attack against Onix and friends. Try to switch this in on a status move (except Sleep) to achieve its maximum potential.</p> [SET] name: Reversal move 1: Endure move 2: Reversal move 3: Return / Quick Attack move 3: Crunch / Sucker Punch item: Salac Berry ability: Guts nature: Jolly evs: 36HP / 228Atk / 182Spe [SET COMMENTS] <p>Endure whatever hit comes at you, activating Salac Berry on the process and powering up Reversal to the maximum to attempt a sweep. Rattata misses on STAB Reversal and is vulnerable to Sandstorm. Your STAB attack depends on what do you want: a priority attack or a move slightly weaker than full-power Reversal to hit Psychic and Bug-types. Crunch is for Ghosts, but Sucker Punch can help against Scarfed ones.</p> [Other Options] <p>Rattata is mere set-up fodder for the likes of Rhyhorn and Cranidos, who can just Rock Polish while you switch or 2-3HKO with Facade and then proceed to OHKO you and sweep your team. To correct this problem, there is one solution: Hidden Power Grass. It can go over U-Turn on the first set to nab a surprise KO on Onix, Rhyhorn, Geodude, Kabuto, Omanyte and 2HKO Cranidos, awful as Rattata's Special Attack is, sitting at Base 25. All those Pokémon completely wall Rattata and therefore should not be expecting a special attack from it, opening up the possibility of a sweep if that was their only Rattata counter. Grass Knot has more power on Onx and Rhyhorn, but HP Grass is more reliable, as everyone else on the list is considerably lighter.</p> <p>Crunch and Pursuit can be used also over U-Turn on the first set and over Sucker Punch on the rest to have a reliable Ghost-killer incase they decide to stall Sucker Punch out of PP. Flame Wheel could help against Grass-types but is generally an inferior option, unless you like seeing your Rattata on fire. Focus Sash + Counter can be used to score a surprise KO. Flame Wheel is your strongest move against Bronzor, but will fail to 2KO through Oran even with Guts so is best avoided.</p> [EVs] <p>The EVs listed give Rattata the maximum Speed and Attack possible. The remaining EVs give 1 HP point. If and only if you are planning to use HP Grass, then use a Hasty nature and change your IVs to 30Atk / 30SpA and you EV spread to 232Atk / 80SpA / 180Spe. The extra 4 EVs in Attack are to compensate for the lost point from the IVs. 80 Special Attack gives you the point necessary to score an OHKO on the Pokémon mentioned above, barring Sandstorm. Speed continues at maximum.</p> [Opinion] <p>Average stats at best, but having the ability to attack with an automatic +1 boost in Attack with a STAB 140 power move is a scary prospect for anything slower than Rattata. Ghosts immune to its Facade have to be careful treading around the purple rat, as a Sucker Punch to the face is going to hurt.</p> <p>Use Rattata if you feel like running a high-risk, high-reward strategy. Flame Orb will lower its time on the field, and leave it vulnerable to almost any priority move, but the payoff can be amazing. It's a shame Rattata misses Raticate's Swords Dance, which could be deadly in combination with Guts.</p> [Counters] <p>Gastly and Misdreavus can come in on anything the standard Rattata offers and can just stall Sucker Punch out of PP, or in the case of Misdreavus, set up for a sweep. Rock-types in general wall Rattata, provided it does not carry a surprise HP Grass. Fighting-types faster than Rattata also spell its doom, as Sucker Punch will do little to them and the rodent will have to flee or die.</p> Edited by eric the espeon, Apr 16 2009, 04:19 PM.
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| Chris | Aug 6 2008, 01:41 AM Post #2 |
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Super Fang is a standard move on Raticate. Can Rattata not get it? Explain this for people who may not know. Standard Cranidos is risking the fairly small chance that Iron Tail will miss twice in a row, so HP Grass isn't the _only_ option... Edited by Chris, Aug 6 2008, 01:44 AM.
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| Acredula | Aug 6 2008, 01:45 AM Post #3 |
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Focus Sash + Endeavor + Quick Attack + Sucker Punch can be put in Other options. |
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| Chris | Aug 6 2008, 02:14 AM Post #4 |
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Moving back. Who approved this without comment again? Mainly, look at this: Def---35---9----10---13---14 Sp.A--25---10---12---15---16 Sp.D--35---8----9----12---13 Something is wrong there. Fix it. |
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| Jarizos | Aug 6 2008, 02:34 AM Post #5 |
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counter/reversel/suckerpunch/endevor works too |
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| TheMantyke | Aug 6 2008, 03:43 AM Post #6 |
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<BIG>A Man's Mantyke</BIG>
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Yeah, there definately needs to be Focus sash set somewere here. Rattata has a ton of options to work with (Reversal, Endevor, Counter, Quick attack, Sucker Punch...). Might want a tiny mention of pluck too to steal berries too. Edited by TheMantyke, Aug 6 2008, 03:43 AM.
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| Chris | Aug 6 2008, 04:22 AM Post #7 |
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Endeavor doesn't hit Ghosties, so unless Sucker Punch ohkos, I see a bit less use for it than one might think. |
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| bahohns | Apr 16 2009, 03:19 PM Post #8 |
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You could also mention that Flame Wheel is Rattata's strongest (viable) option for "hurting" Bronzor. With a Guts boost, it might hurt your standard 'Zor, but I'm poorly equipped to try to damage calc that at the moment. If anyone is up to it, be my guest. |
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| eric the espeon | Apr 16 2009, 04:18 PM Post #9 |
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10 - 14 (40% - 56%) to max/max Bronzor with no + nature. Not going to 2KO Oran Bronzor.. But Ill throw it into OO. Also there is a good downloadable damage calc that can be used at low levels here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51589 |
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| bahohns | Apr 16 2009, 05:44 PM Post #10 |
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Ah, thanks for both calc'ing it and the calc itself. And OO suits Flame Wheel fine. It would only be useful against Steels anyways. |
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