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| Topic Started: May 30 2009, 01:22 PM (647 Views) | |
| Tallentire | May 30 2009, 01:22 PM Post #1 |
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[STAT=Pineco,50/65/90/35/35/10,bug,None]204[/STAT] [SET] name: Setup Lead move 1: Stealth Rock / Spikes move 2: Protect move 3: Explosion move 4: Bug Bite / Payback item: Oran Berry / Focus Sash / Lum Berry nature: Relaxed Evs: 196 HP / 196 Def / 76 Atk [SET COMMENTS] <p>Pineco can setup at the start of the match with relative ease due to its natural bulkiness and typing. Pineco’s excellent defense stat lets it take hits from most physical Pokémon while being able to setup or hit back relatively hard. Protect is there to beat fake out leads and to scout choice users. Most fake out leads are a blessing for Pineco as they are physical and after the protect Stealth Rock / Spikes is almost guaranteed to be set up on the next turn. Spikes can be used over Stealth Rock although Stealth Rock will always break sashes. Most of the time Explosion will be your go to move after you set up Stealth Rock, if you suspect the opponent is sashed go can attack then explode. Gyro Ball or Payback is a relatively easy choice; Payback is used if you want an attack that can at least hit Misdreavus while Bug Bite also breaks sashes and is useful against leads such as Phanpy .</p> <p>Pineco’s item is the most difficult choice to make. Oran is there to gain health, Focus Sash is there for special attacking leads and Lum berry is there if Meowth leads sleeping you are frustrating. The EVs are to maximize defenses and the ability to take hits, often you will have to switch when facing a special attacker, 80 Atk is there to give explosion that extra grunt.</p> [SET] name: Rapid Spin Support move 1: Rapid spin move 2: Stealth Rock / Toxic Spikes move 3: Explosion / Light Screen move 4: Spikes item: Oran berry nature: Relaxed evs: 196 HP / 196 Def / 76 Sp.def [SET COMMENTS] <p>Although Squirtle is often considered the premier spinner in LC, Pineco could potentially give Squritle a run for his money. Pineco not only has the ability to only Rapid Spin but can also give support with screens and entry hazards. Rapid Spin is obvious and is the crux of this set. Stealth Rock and Spikes gives you the ability to set up as many entry hazards as possible, Toxic Spikes is also viable on this set if you already have a Stealth Rock user. Explosion is there to possibly get a KO with Light Screen being an option if you want to possible set up a sweeper. The reason Pineco can match up to squirtle as a Rapid Spinner is that Pineco can setup whilst spinning because of his ability to take physical hits and the potential after all that to explode for a KO.</p> <p>The Oran Berry is there to heal your health back as very few attacks can OHKO Pineco. The EVs are there to maximize defenses to give the best ability to setup.</p> [SET] name: Pure Support move 1: Stealth Rock / Toxic Spikes move 2: Spikes move 3: Explosion move 4: Reflect / Payback item: Oran Berry nature: Relaxed evs: 196 HP / 196 Def / 76 Sp.Def [SET COMMENTS] <p>This set may look inferior to Bronzor, but Pineco has two main differences, the ability to use Toxic Spikes and spikes with the access to Explosion. Reflect support raises your already huge defences and can be used first to make it easier to set up entry hazards. Payback is a viable option over reflect as it does almost enough to KO Misdreavus. Stealth Rock, Toxic Spikes and Spikes are should be chosen depending on the other Pokémon in your team. If you already have a Stealth Rock user in your team Spikes or Toxic Spikes can be used depending on your preference. Spikes are to pair up with Stealth Rock and most of the time two layers of Spikes will be setup leaving most Pokemon that aren’t immune to spikes taking around 30% each switch in. Explosion is there to blow up after setting up and hopefully getting a KO.< p> [SET] name: Dual Screens move 1: Stealth Rock / Toxic Spikes / Spikes move 2: Light Screen move 3: Explosion move 4: Reflect item: Light Clay nature: Relaxed evs: 196 HP / 200 Def / 76 Sp.Def [SET COMMENTS] <p>This sets moves are almost identical to the previous set, with the addition of light clay. Pineco’s defenses give it the ability to easily set up eight turn screens, giving huge support to your other Pokémon. Bronzong’s Dual Screens set is very similar to this set and that works extremely well in OU and Ubers. At first glance Bronzor screams out overpowering but the ability to explode once again makes Pineco an often unconsidered option. Stealth Rock / Toxic Spikes / Spikes should be chosen depending on the other Pokémon in your team. Explosion is there to blow up after setting up and hopefully getting a KO and is the reason this set could be used over Bonzor.</p> [Other Options] <p>Pineco doesn’t have a great Attack stat and because of its low speed even a choice band set isn’t entirely viable. Although you could potentially use a choice band Explode to get a surprise revenge kill. Pineco has a potential move pool for an attacking set although with its low speed even choice scarf isn't really usable. Pineco could potentially be a good Pokemon to pass an agility to although with its 65 base Atk it usually would be a waste of a pass. Possibly Pineco could be used for a Counter set with a focus sash, this would be a potentially viable set even without a focus sash. Pinecos access to endure could give it the possibility of using a endure, salac and flail set that surprisingly works. I have used the previously mentioned set in standard/b] play and although it is weak to priority if they have already been KO'd Pineco has the potential to sweep this way.</p> [EVs] <p>Pineco’s EVs are aimed to maximise his defenses although you could potentially replace the Sp.Def EVs for Atk EVs. The Spe IV can be replaced to 0 if being used under Trick Room. If you wanted you could replace the Sp.Def EVs and add them into attack to increase the power of explosion.</p> [Opinion] <p>Pineco has many Pokémon that can do the same role as it and people may say, use Squritle as a spinner you noob, or Bronzor is the best setup Pokémon you idiot. Even though they can provide the same options Pineco has some moves that give it advantages, as well as its monstrous defense. Pineco can provide many support options for your team to setup for a sweep or lay down entry hazards. Pineco closely resembles Bronzong in OU play and because of that can be used to setup all kinds of advantages for your team. Explode gives Pineco the advantage of almost all other dual screen users by having the ability to get a KO while bringing in a new pokemon, therefore not wasting screen turns. Having the ability to take hits while repeatably spinning gives Pineco the advantage over Squirtle. Gligar seems to be a more usable option with every stat being higher than Pineco’s. This may be true, but Gligar’s typing, with a 4x weakness to ice and a 2x weakness to water (arguably the most used type in LC) give Pineco the advantage. Whereas Pineco’s Weaknesses are very redundant in the LC metagame. Pineco has steller defences with a massive support move pool, Pineco even has resistances to some of the most common LC types in Fighting and Ground. Pineco is an excellent Pokemon to choose if you are looking for a Pokemon to support your team. Giving your Pokemon the defensive advantages in Light Screen and Reflect to set up a sweep while being able to set up entry hazards at the same time. All this while also having the ability to potentially KO a counter with Explosion</p> [Counters] <p>Without Payback Misdreavus can counter the lead set with ease as none of Pineco’s moves can do substantial damage. Any specially based Pokémon can do ridiculous damage to Pineco, particularly Mixdour and Scarf Cyndaquil. Meowth can really give the lead set hell without a Lum Berry as it can Hypnosis it with ease. This can be overcome by teaming up Pineco with Mankey. Pokémon with the access to Taunt also give Pineco a lot of trouble giving it no other option but to switch or explode.</p> Edited by Tallentire, Jun 23 2009, 02:50 AM.
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| Hybrid | May 30 2009, 02:20 PM Post #2 |
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| Tallentire | May 30 2009, 02:23 PM Post #3 |
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| Hybrid | May 30 2009, 02:26 PM Post #4 |
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Ugh, something wrong with the tags....The bold tag bolded the whole of the last three sections... just compare it to yours. EDIT: This is a Link Eric gave me a couple of days ago. It helped A LOT. Edited by Hybrid, May 30 2009, 03:13 PM.
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| MGX | May 30 2009, 04:01 PM Post #5 |
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Stealth Rock, Rapid Spin, Toxic Spikes, Lum Berry all need to be double capitals I dont think you are allowed to use first person, such as "I believe" in the second set. Also, Pineco should have Spikes one of its sets, as that is Pineco's niche: being able to Spike while taking hits. Many better defensive pokemon get stealth rock: gligar is better in every stat, so you should definately use spikes, as otheriwse you are using an inferior gligar. Spikes is good anyways, as due to pinecos bulkyness you should get like 2 layers off, which are somewhat 17 or something, which is quite good. I think you should mention that it should be paired up with something to lay SR, as with SR and two layers, anything not resistant to SR and not immune to Spikes will take around 30 or something damage eah switchin, which greatky helps your sweepers So yeah, I think while talking about UU's always mention and stress why you should use them over a similar OU. |
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| HeYsUp | May 30 2009, 06:51 PM Post #6 |
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I'd suggest you putting Spikes and Stealth Rock on the Support set as seperate options, as limiting yourself to one of them just makes Pineco purely outclassed by Pokemon such as Phanpy. |
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| Tallentire | May 30 2009, 10:35 PM Post #7 |
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Stealth Rock, Rapid Spin, Toxic Spikes, Lum Berry all need to be double capitals - Hybrid Told me to change it to that. I dont think you are allowed to use first person, such as "I believe" in the second set. - Yeh ill change that Also, Pineco should have Spikes one of its sets, as that is Pineco's niche: being able to Spike while taking hits. It is on one of its sets but ill ad it in Many better defensive pokemon get stealth rock: gligar is better in every stat, so you should definately use spikes, as otheriwse you are using an inferior gligar. - Yeh whoops Spikes is good anyways, as due to pinecos bulkyness you should get like 2 layers off, which are somewhat 17 or something, which is quite good. I think you should mention that it should be paired up with something to lay SR, as with SR and two layers, anything not resistant to SR and not immune to Spikes will take around 30 or something damage eah switchin, which greatky helps your sweepers - Yeh ill add more about spikes So yeah, I think while talking about UU's always mention and stress why you should use them over a similar OU. - Read almost every paragraph Edited by Tallentire, May 31 2009, 12:59 AM.
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| MGX | May 30 2009, 11:08 PM Post #8 |
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I think I am a faggot twice
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Umm gligar HAS EVERY STAT higher than pineco and you need to STRESS why to use it over say gligar |
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| eric the espeon | May 30 2009, 11:08 PM Post #9 |
vader was here
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"Gligars defenses arnt as good as Pineco" Gligar has 65/105/65 defences iirc, Pineco has 50/90/35 |
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| Tallentire | May 31 2009, 01:00 AM Post #10 |
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Yeh whoops, okay ill put more of that in, in my opinions. |
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| askaninjask | May 31 2009, 04:18 AM Post #11 |
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I added some opinion and some spell correction/prose flow changes. I don't think I found everything, so you should have a look through it yourself grammar-wise. About Gligar: I think that you should mention that Bug, particularly in LC, is a fantastic defensive type. Pineco, with handy resistances to Fighting and Ground, stellar defenses, and a fantastic support movepool, there are several reasons why to use Pineco over Gligar. Gligar also has glaring weaknesses to Ice, Water, and Rock, while not having any handy resistances other than an electric immunity. Also, I would like to mention a few things about using Toxic Spikes in LC with Pineco. Toxic Spikes is an incredibly situational move, and generally one needs to wait until the opponent's late game poison-typed sweepers such as Bellsprout and Croagunk are gone. However, Toxic Spikes is only effective when used early in the game, so most matches, your toxic spikes will be absorbed. However, Pineco is debatably the best wall to Croagunk, and you should mention that. However, Bellsprout can Swords Dance in your face and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it other than explode, toxic spikes failure. Btw "WHILST" AS A WORD IS ARCHAIC AND SHOULD NOT BE USED, even though it does sound much cooler than "while". Thank you very much. |
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| HeYsUp | May 31 2009, 08:22 AM Post #12 |
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Why is Gyro Ball an option over say.......Bug Bite? Bug Bite gives you the ability to beat berry leads (like Phanpy and even Gligar). Bug Bite also hits everything. Gyro Ball is a shitty attack even with STAB >.> |
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| MGX | May 31 2009, 09:27 AM Post #13 |
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Agreeing with HYU and aska, Toxic Spikes isnt that great and for that, Skorupi is arguably a better choice as it has the same defense, higher SDef and only slightly lower HP and is faster, which makes it more likely to set up 2 layers. Plus it gets whirlwind, which further makes it a better choice for Toxic Spikes SO yeah, I think Spikes should me mentioned in almost every single set, SR has a ton of users, TS isnt THAT awesome and Spikes is only availabe to a few pokemon, and PIneco being one of them should exploit it by using it alongside either screens, explosion or rapid spin. |
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| Dixie | May 31 2009, 01:56 PM Post #14 |
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All three support sets are pretty much the same. Rapid Spin support should be merged with pure support. There's no need for Sunny Day to be an option when Pineco doesn't really have any defining feature that makes it significantly better than other pokemon to set up it. Pure Support/Rapid Spin should look like Explosion Stealth Rock / Spikes Reflect / Light Screen Rapid Spin / Toxic Spikes Set comments should reflect Pineco's adapatbility in terms of teams options, i.e. should be tuned according to your team's needs. Explosion should be a given, as you a KO + free switch after setting up your hazards is great. Toxic Spikes should never be chosen directly over SR or Spikes since the former provide more support in terms of immediate damage. SR isn't all too common, and if a team does have it if its not on a pokemon like Bronzor then it usually isn't a priority to set up. Also, Pineco does have an SR weak so if you want to have Tspikes in there it should be over Rapid Spin. Reflect or Light Screen according to your team's needs, perhaps mention an attack over it in Set Comments such that Misdreavus doesn't want to set up too much on you. |
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| HeYsUp | May 31 2009, 04:46 PM Post #15 |
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I dont know Dixie, I really think that Spikes should be used with Stealth Rock. Otherwise Pineco is outclassed by so many Pokemon. |
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