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Hey, sup. I originally started competitive Pokemon on Netbattle, playing Advanced. Fellow Adv players suggested that I try Shoddy battle and DPUU. One day during the wait between suspect removals, and read a Warstory by Vader and PM'd him asking where I could play little cup, made a team, and quickly started learning the metagame. Some #1 titles, tournaments, and analyses later, here I am.

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Jun 23

Suspects: Gligar

As most of you should / probably know, Missy and Gligar are both being nominated in the suspect nomination thread. While I agree with the fact that they are both suspects, I'm not 100% sure they are broken. Lets take a closer look at Gligar:

65 HP
75 Atk
105 Def
35 SpA
65 SpD
85 Spe
Ground
Flying

Gligar has an absolutely amazing set of stats, far superior to the average Little Cup Pokemon. Having awesome bulk, Attack, and Speed, mean Gligar will never be a push over to take down, while also being tough to wall.

However, obviously stats aren't everyting, as Ponyta has a very impressive BST as well, but it doesn't make as big of an impact as Gligar does, obviously.

Now the bigger advantage Gligar has, besides having awesome stats, is its typing. To start, being Flying-type is always a good thing, as the only disadvantages are that you are weak to Rock / Stealth Rock, Electric and Ice. Now, here is where the Ground comes in, making one of the best defensive typing combinations seen in Pokemon. Ground-typing gives Gligar and immunity to Electric, and makes it neutral to Rock, while giving Gligar a 4x weakness to Ice.

Gligar is basically Super Man. It has one weakness (Ice Attacks / Kryptonite), and is basically impervious to other damage. Or is it?

Gligar has severe severe 4 moveslot syndrome. For some reason, people seem to think Gligar always has Swords Dance / Rock Polish / Earthquake / Aerial Ace / Stone Edge / Aqua Tail / Quick Attack / Stealth Rock / Roost all in the same move set. Not to mention Gligars EVs are 236 HP / 236 Atk / 236 Def / 236 SpD / 236 Spe with a Jolly and Adamant nature, holding Oran, Life Orb, Yache, and a Choice Scarf with a sandstorm brewing.

You simply can't do everything with Gligar. While it CAN pick one thing, and be the best at it, it can only do that one thing.
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Swords Dance

The Swords Dance set either suffers from a heavy moveslot syndrome if it uses Quick Attack, or are vulnerable to these Choice Scarfers:


Abra (Psychic)
Bagon (HPump)
Dratini (Ice Beam through Yache)
Porygon (Ice Beam through Yache)
Houndour (Fire Blast / Overheat)
Gastly (Explosion, Shadow Ball if weakened)
Magby (Fire Blast / Overheat)
Chinchou (Surf / HPump)
Barboach (Surf / HPump)
Cyndaquil (Eruption / Fire Blast)
Magnemite (HP Ice through Yache)
Snover (STAB Blizard through Yache)
Staryu (Surf)
Wailmer (Water Spout)
Eevee (Double Edge)
Krabby (Crabhammer)
Numel (Fire Blast)
Psyduck (Surf)
Bulbasaur (Leaf Storm)
Corphish (Waterfall)
Carvanha (Hydro Pump)
Remoraid (Waterfall)
Cranidos (Head Smash)

+ UU stuff.

With Quick Attack, you are stuck with Earthquake + Stone Edge, Earthquake + Aerial Ace, or Earthquake + Aqua Tail.

Earthquake + Stone Edge variants are walled to hell and back by Bronzor, and can be easily dealt with by Physically defensive Missy / Duskull. Shroomish does fine as well. Fellow Gligar can even deal with this set.

Earthquake + Aerial Ace variants are also walled by the same Pokemon, except now more so flying types due to AA being weaker then Stone Edge. Aerial Ace can still deal with Shroomish though, and not to mention it has perfect accuracy.

Earthquake + Aqua Tail variants are the most popular because they can KO other Gligar. The issue now, is that they are walled extensively by Mantyke and Paras, while also having trouble versus Shroomish.

Move set + Scarfer weakness shows, to me at least, that Swords Dance Gligar is not broken, or even worth of suspect status at all.
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Rock Polish

However, Rock Polish is another matter. If you take all those Scarfers, and put them against a Rock Polish Gligar, then almost all of them lose. Rock Polish gives Gligar the ability to be nearly impervious to revenge killing attempts, and can only be stopped by Pokemon like Duskull / Missy, Slowpoke, and the specific walls per set.

Another advantage with a Rock Polish set, is the ability to invest in HP. 2 HP gives Gligar an even easier time setting up, an destroying everything in its path when it can barely be touched by even priority moves not named Aqua Jet. This gives Gligar a whole new reason to abuse Roost over a 3rd Attacking move.

However, since this Gligar doesn't need QA to deal with Scarfers, you can always use 3 Attacks. 3 Attacks + Rock Polish is one of Gligars most threatening sets for the reason that it can't be walled effectively. There is only a handful of Pokemon who can still stop it, and nothing is stopping Gligar from just spamming Earthquakes, Stone Edges, or Aqua Tails until they are weak enough for Gligar to sweep.

With the extra Speed, attack, and bulk, I really think Rock Polish variants of Gligar are quite worth of suspect status, and quite possibly broken.
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All-Purpose

However, Gligar's true strength, imo, is the fact that it can do everything VERY good at the same time if you don't commit to a stat-up move. I think this set is Gligars best set, and while it may not strike you as "deadly", consider the fact that it fills the role of support wall, late game sweeper, and Fighter-counter.

Gligar (M) @ Oran Berry
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 236 Atk/236 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Aqua Tail / Stone Edge
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Roost
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With Gligar being so damn naturally bulky, and the amount of switches it forces, it makes a great Pokemon to set up Stealth Rock. Roost is honestly amazing, because it allows Gligar to keep doing what it does best; which happens to be pretty much everything.

This set basically comes in, forces a switch to set up Stealth Rock, then switches out. Next, it does the same thing, but hits whatever comes in relatively hard. Once Gligar's counters are worn out from Stealth Rock, it can just sweep with 19 Speed, bulk, and an 100 BP STAB attack.

It can't just sweep to the same effect Rock Polish can, but with Stealth Rock being reliably on the field, Roost abusing, and having very respectable attack stats, this Jack of all trades set is definitely my favorite.

If it was put into any BL / Uber characteristics, it would have to be all of them, while the RP set would probably fit into the offensive set.
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Choice

I'm not going to talk about Choice Sets, because they are just generally "good" sets, and so many Pokemon run them well. Choiced Earthquake isn't really anything to phone home about, it's powerful but gives so many Pokemon a turn to set up. U-turn is good, but I think there are better Choice options then Gligar.
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Overall

Overall Gligar is definitely worthy of being a suspect, and in many cases is quite possibly broken. I just think it's a big misconception about the Swords Dance set being so powerful when Gligars true power comes in its bulkier RP and All-purpose sets.

The best way to deal with Gligar is to not let it set up, hit it with strong attacks instead of switching to a counter, because your counter may become useless if your opponent uses a Swords Dance variant, or Rock Polish variant. Risk getting KOed by Earthquake to try and hit Gligar with an Ice Punch from Pokemon like Croagunk. It will be worth it in the end.

What are your thoughts?

P.S. Check soon for Missy as well!
Posted Jun 23 2009, 07:44 PM · 4 comments
Jun 21

More Underrated Pokemon

Chimchar (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP/52 Atk/4 Def/188 Spd/212 SAtk/4 SDef
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Stealth Rock
- Vacuum Wave
- Fake Out
- Fire Blast
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Chimchar is the only Pokemon with Fake Out + Stealth Rock. It never leaves you with a big disadvantage regardless of your opponents lead. With the advantages of Fake Out, without the disadvantages against Protect leads, Chimchar is definitely worth a try.


Stunky (M) @ Oran Berry
Ability: Aftermath
EVs: 12 HP/252 Atk/244 Spd
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch
- Explosion
- Fire Blast
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If you want a Missy counter, try this*. This thing can take any two attacks from Missy, and KO it with Pursuit. It has a crazy strong Sucker Punch and Fire Blast for steels. Its explosion is sick as well.

*If you want calcs, look at the second comment.
Posted Jun 21 2009, 07:18 PM · 2 comments
Jun 13

Underrated Pokemon

LC is a new Metagame as many people know, so there are many Pokemon waiting to be discovered.

Here are a list of Pokemon, past and present, that I'm trying to popularize through use and Analysis.

Not Yet Popular Pokemon:

Test these out!

Swinub (M) @ Focus Sash / Oran Berry
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 196 Atk/196 Spe (196 HP/196 Atk /116 Def with Oran)
Adamant (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Endeavour / Earthquake (With Oran)
- Ice Shard
- Protect
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This is quite similar to Phanpy, but it can actually deal a ton more damage with Ice Shard. However Swinub can use it's awesome Bronzor luring in power, and surprise KO it with Endeavor (well bring it 1 HP anyway). This really helps sweepers like Taillow and Machop. It's basically the same as Phanpy with an Oran Berry, though it has a slightly weaker Earthquake and is mildly less bulky, however it has the much needed STAB on Ice Shard (giving it the ability to OHKO Gligar, unlike Phanpy).

Eevee (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 236 Atk/36 Def/236 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Iron Tail
- Quick Attack
- Bite
- Frustration
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Mainly because STAB Quick Attack with Adaptability is SICK. It OHKOes Pokemon like Croagunk and Houndour, I have no idea why this isn't one of the most popular Pokemon out there. Nothing can safely switch in barring Bronzor.

Numel (M) @ Life Orb/Oran Berry/Expert Belt
Ability: Simple
EVs: 36 HP/200 Atk/236 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Fire Blast
- Rock Slide
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Simple is awesome. This thing doesn't need Speed EVs, because from just one Agility it gets +4 Speed (30 Speed). If you pass it a Swords Dance or Nasty Plot on top of this, then you basically OHKO whatever you want, with +4 for every SD/NP you get off. Works well with Dual Screen + Gligar, or Dual Screen + Ambipom. Life Orb hits hardest if you don't want to pass Swords Dance or Nasty Plot, however the bulk from Oran Berry lets you sweep through priority as well. Expert Belt is there for an in-between item.

Magnemite @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 236 Spd/240 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Thunder

This thing hits terribly hard in the rain with Thunder, or just in common conditions with Thunderbolt. Perfect neutral coverage with Steel / Electric / Ground, while also sporting a nice 22 Speed stat, backed by 19 SpA. Try this out on your next rain team, honestly.

Semi-Popular Pokemon:

Some people have caught on.

Houndour (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Early Bird
EVs: 196 Atk/76 Spd/196 SAtk/36 SDef
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Sucker Punch
- Protect
- Reversal
- Overheat
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What's to explain? It covers basically EVERY lead with Early Bird, priority, and Protect. Reversal owns Munchlax as well, which is awesome for Pokemon like Missy.

Phanpy (M) @ Oran Berry
Ability: Pickup
EVs: 196 HP/196 Atk/116 Def
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Shard
- Protect
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This is an awesome lead, it hit's really hard with its STAB EQ, and is awesomely bulky. It can beat Sash leads, Fake Out leads, and basically any lead that cant OHKO it. Not to mention, it makes a pretty awesome Gligar check as well.

Mantyke (M) @ Oran Berry / Damp Rock
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 236 HP/36 Def/36 Spd/200 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Rain Dance
- Ice Beam
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power [Grass]
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Bulky Rain Dance is seriously underrated with all Pokemon, especially Mantyke. Mantyke hits hard with 120 BP Hydro Pump, and can't be stopped by any sort of priority attack besides the odd Sucker Punch, but even that requires Mantyke to be weakened.


Goldeen (M) @ Oran Berry
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 156 HP/220 Atk/36 Def/92 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rain Dance
- Waterfall
- Megahorn
- Return
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Another bulky Rain Dancer, it hits like a truck and can take a hit or two. This Goldeen can also use a Life Orb and have its HP EVs moved to Defense, and lowered to 19 via IVs. Goldeen is semi-popular now, but it needs some more love.

Popular Pokemon
Pokemon that are now popular that I've been using for a while.

Doduo (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Early Bird
EVs: 236 Atk/236 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
- Roost
- Quick Attack
- Frustration
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While it looks like a lesser Eevee, Roost is not to be overlooked. Roost actually allows Doduo to beat some Bronzor (ones without Psychic). Brave Bird OHKOes Munchlax, and hurts everything that doesn't resist, QA hurts too. Early Bird is useful in a metagame with no Sleep Talkers, and it's Speed helps it pull off sweeps. Honestly, how many Sweepers can stall out Bronzor?


Paras (M) @ Oran Berry
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 236 HP/116 Atk/156 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Synthesis
- Spore
- X-Scissor
- Seed Bomb
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Paras is being used more and more now, it's really awesome. Spore in a metagame with basically zero Sleep Talkers is extremely valuable. Not to mention, Paras hits hard and can actually counter Gligar (it walls AT variants, and survives a max Atk Adamant Stone Edge as well). Water-immunity is a bonus.

Misdreavus (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 240 Spd/240 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Shadow Sneak
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute
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Once lol'd at, this is now the most used Missy set, and Missy is the second most common Pokemon in Little Cup. Shadow Sneak OHKOes Pokemon like Abra and Gastly, while with LO Missy can 2HKO the whole metagame. It walks all over Sucker Punchers as well.




Posted Jun 13 2009, 03:49 AM · 4 comments