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Should Marcos be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani?
Topic Started: Jun 19 2016, 12:54 AM (189 Views)
Karsie
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Duterte already said he is in favor of allowing the Marcos family to bury the ex-president at the Libingan ng mga Bayani. His VP candidate, Allan Peter Cayetano, and some of his political allies are opposing it. Are you opposed to the idea?

Even the Americans have allowed Confederate Generals and soldiers to be buried at Arlington (the heroes cemetery equivalent to our Libingan ng mga Bayani) in special sections.

Elipidio Quirino was accused of massive corruption too by Garcia who was in turn accused of it too by Macapagal.

Is eveyone buried there vetted and adjudged a hero or never stolen or killed or committed any crimes?

Do you consider Artemio Ricarte (who fought with Yamashita vs. Fil-Am forces) a hero? Wasn't Ricarte basically a TRAITOR? Yet he is buried at Libingan ng mga Bayani? He fought with the enemy, killiing Filipinos and Americans, helping Yamashita plan their retreat and defense.
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^ ^ That's food for thought, Karsie.
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This is water under the bridge now. That's because Pres. Duterte already gave the go-signal to allow the Marcoses to bury ex-president Ferdinand Marcos in the Libingan ng mga Bayani. It's a very controversial decision since there are many people who are opposed to it.
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AWW! Shots fired :nyanya:
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The AFP has jurisdiction over the cemetery in Taguig City and has set the guidelines for who and who may not be buried at the Libingan. The arguments have been heard, and now a decision has to be made. Let the President do as he deems fit and live with that decision, for better or for worse.
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No matter how loud the opposition to this burial is, the former President’s son, Bongbong, placed second during last May’s vice presidential race and has in fact filed a protest against the victory of Vice President Leonor Robredo.

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To all the Marcos detractors, here's to you (a comment posted in an editorial piece in The Manila Standard, "A Festering Dilemma", http://thestandard.com.ph/mobile/article/212582 ):
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By WJGBalderama
Ferdinand Marcos received the U.S. DSC, the second highest medal, and Silver Star. I do believe that conferring medals to battlefield heroes was one of the acts MacArthur did when he visited the frontline in Bataan from his Corregidor hideout. Then Lieutenant Marcos was one of those awarded a medal. (One of the witnesses to the field ceremony was my uncle...both he and Marcos were Vanguard fraternity brothers). After the war, the Maharlika guerrillas was found to be legitimate and did exist, but their numbers and their claims could not be corroborated and did not meet the threshold to be accepted for registration (for compensation purposes) as a guerrilla group when accounting was done. The accusation that the 32 medals are fake is just incredulous. First thing to do is find out where you got this information from. I think it is one of those news sources that tried to discredit Marcos.


If the above opinion piece is not enough, here's an old news article about what Marcos did in the battlefield:
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As for Marcos, I believe he was a soldier and had served our nation. I believe he had the best intention for our country in the early years of Martial Law and he saw communism as a threat and the corrupt Congress like the last one as counter productive. The medals are not fake as alleged by Marcos haters. Let him be buried at Libingan ng mga Bayani. I trust in our President's decision. Give this issue a rest already.
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Marcos burial at the Libingan ng mga Bayani is definitely pissing off anti-Marcos advocates.

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Not everyone who is buried in Libingan ng mga Bayani were heroes.
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If we follow the yellows' logic, Noynoy should not be buried in LNMB too since he was President during Mamasapano tragedy and Kidapawan massacre. Noynoy Aquino could have resolved the Marcos burial issue.

Why blame Marcos for human rights abuses during his term when theses anti-Marcos people don't blame Noynoy for human rights abuses during his term?

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POLL: 71.6% IN NCR FAVOR MARCOS BURIAL AT LIBINGAN ng mga BAYANI

Some seven out of 10 (71.6 percent) Metro Manila residents favor the burial of the late President Ferdinand Marcos at the Libingan ng Mga Bayani, according to a survey conducted by StratPOLLS Inc.

The survey results were published on StratPOLLS’ sister publication BusinessMirror on Wednesday.

According to StratPOLLS, National Capital Region (NCR) residents were asked: “In your opinion, should the remains of the former President [Ferdinand Marcos] be laid to rest at the Libingan ng mga Bayani?”

StratPOLLs said 71.6 percent favored Marcos’ burial at the Libingan ng mga Bayani while 28.4 percent answered in negative.

The survey had 250 respondents. Approval for a hero’s burial for Marcos was high in Las Piñas with 78 percent and Parañaque with 76 percent.

On the other hand, opposition was high in Manila with 38 percent and Quezon City with 32 percent.

The survey came after some 200 members of the House of Representatives signed a resolution urging President Benigno Aquino III to allow Marcos’ burial at the heroes’ cemetery.

In March this year, 219 members of the House of Representatives signed House Bill 1135, a House resolution pushing for the burial of Marcos at the heroes’ cemetery.

Citing his personal bias, Aquino has left the decision on the issue to Vice President Jejomar Binay.

“Filipinos are no longer divided on this issue, at least in Metro Manila, which is considered as the center of opinion in the country,” StratPOLLS said.

“With seven out of 10 Filipinos in Metro Manila approving of Marcos’s burial at the national heroes’ cemetery, the question of whether Marcos should be given a private burial or burial with honors now remains as the major bone of contention,” it added.

StratPOLLS, Inc. is a private national research and consulting firm. It is a sister company of media organizations such as the Business Mirror, Philippines Graphic, DWIZ and Home Radio FM.

Marcos died on Sept. 28, 1989, while in exile in Hawaii. His remains are in a refrigerated crypt in the family’s ancestral home in Ilocos Norte. -- GMA News
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Lito Atienza who is now a lawmaker calls on Left-leaning members of Duterte's Cabinet to rally behind the President in his decision to bury the late dictator at the Libingan ng mga Bayani. Atienza is the current House Senior Deputy Minority Leader. Atienza in 1971 was a member of the Liberal Party (LP). He was in Plaza Miranda when it was b0mbed during an LP rally. Atienza said that Marcos was not responsible for the b0mbing but that it was JoMa, head of CPP.

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The hard part is getting off the high horse
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AUGUST 23, 2016
From: http://www.manilatimes.net/the-hard-part-is-getting-off-the-high-horse/281497/

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The party’s over but apparently the Red and Yellow forces opposing a hero’s burial for former President Ferdinand Marcos seem to be the last to know about it.

Despite the tables having been turned on them in their latest show of force against their nemesis, whom they would not in their supposedly Christian heart of hearts allow to rest in eternal peace, there is no stopping these anti-Marcos diehards from beating what is becoming a dead horse of an issue.

The protest at Luneta against Marcos’ interment at the Libingan ng mga Bayani (Heroes’ Cemetery), for instance, turned out to be a big dud, at least judging from the country’s major newspapers putting the number of Mao-and-Cory rallyists at a few hundreds.

Organizers had expected a supposedly massive display of support for their pet cause but pictures would not lie when it came to validating claims of hundreds of thousands showing up at a mass action.

At least one photo published on the front page of a top broadsheet owes to the person who had cropped the picture to create the impression that so many share the vociferous objection of soundly defeated presidential candidate Roxas, winning senators de Lima and Hontiveros and DAP-linked Abad, among other bleeding-heart do-gooders, to the hero’s burial for Marcos that had been approved by President Duterte himself.

Despite protestations by the Left and the Right against laying to rest the mortal remains of the ex-leader on hallowed ground, they really have no case against Marcos and his family.

Legally, according to Nilo Divina, dean of the Faculty of Civil Law of the University of Santo Tomas in Manila, there is nothing in Philippine law that says Marcos cannot be buried at the Heroes’ Cemetery.

“There is no prohibition [against the interment of the former president at the Libingan ng mga Bayani]from the legal perspective and because there is no prohibition, it [burial at the Heroes’ Cemetery]can be allowed,” Divina told CNN Philippines in a recent interview.

He said “moral turpitude” – which human-rights advocates and supposed Martial Law victims raise repeatedly against the departed Chief Executive – cannot be easily used against Marcos.

In the same interview, Divina noted that regulation of the Armed Forces of the Philippines on allocation of burial plots at the Libingan only bars those convicted of a criminal offense to be laid to rest at the Heroes’ Cemetery.

In the case of the former President, the UST law dean said, “specific decisions of the Hawaiian court, Swiss court and [Philippine] Supreme Court involve a civil case,” not a criminal case.

Divina was referring to the civil case that was decided in favor of Red and Yellow complainants who had sought compensation for alleged violations of their human rights during Martial Law.

“So from the legal perspective,” he reiterated, “there is no prohibition [against a hero’s burial for Marcos at the Heroes’ Cemetery].

Metro Manila folk agree, according to a recent StratPOLLS survey.

The survey found that 71.6 percent of the people in the National Capital Region (Metro Manila) favor a hero’s burial for the former President at the Libingan ng mga Bayani while only 28.4 percent oppose the idea.

StratPOLLS Inc. is a privately held national research and consulting firm specializing in both quantitative and qualitative research works and analyses.

Its survey aside, former President Fidel V. Ramos would not go for another opinion poll to feel the people’s pulse about the Marcos burial.

Ramos said, also in a recent interview, he wanted an official gauge of the nation’s sentiment on the issue, adding that whatever the Social Weather Stations or other pollsters may conduct would be “not official.”

He suggested that Congress be made to decide on whether Marcos can or cannot be buried at the Heroes’ Cemetery, the legislature being what he called the representative of the “people” and whose sense on the matter would be “official.”

Ramos’ proposal is music of the Florence Foster Jenkins kind that Rep. Teddy Baguilat of Ifugao will probably not want to hear.

On April 17, 2011 during the 15th Congress, 204 lawmakers including Baguilat and Romero Quimbo of Marikina City (Metro Manila) signed House Resolution 1135, filed by Rep. Salvador Escudero that urged then-President Benigno Aquino 3rd to allow the burial of Marcos at the Heroes’ Cemetery.

Aquino, as had been expected, ignored the evidently popular clamor to end the political drama that was the death of a soldier-turned-President waiting for his turn to see his Maker.

Baguilat and Quimbo are members of the current 17th Congress and they are now among the most rabid opponents of the hero’s burial for Marcos, who was once a lawmaker himself.

What a difference five years make and to think that the lawmaker from Ifugao is a member of the so-called Legitimate 8!

If today’s House of Representatives, as well as the Senate, took up Ramos’ suggestion, then Ferdinand Marcos would have already been buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani.

Of course, President Duterte has the numbers in both Houses of Congress and so the Reds and the Yellows had better look for another whipping boy.
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Thank you Fr. Dean Rannie.

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The name "Libingan ng mga Bayani" is what's keeping some people's knickers in a bundle. They should should change the name of LNMB to "Libingan ng mga Bayani at mga Dating Presidente at Sundalo". :bg:
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A great number of netizens want President Rodrigo Duterte to stand his ground to allow the burial of the late strongman Ferdinand Marcos at the Libingan ng mga Bayani, based on a poll posted by Eagle News.

The question posed to respondents was:
“Should President Rodrigo Duterte push through with the burial of former President Ferdinand Marcos despite their protests?”

According to the poll results, 96% (730) of the respondents agreed to the proposal while a mere 3.6% (27) disagreed. No middle ground votes were provided in the poll.

The survey ran from Aug 15-Aug 23.

The final numbers were collected before the Supreme Court issued a status quo ante order Tuesday(Aug.23) afternoon.

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...a deceased retired Army colonel has included on his last will a wish that he shall not be buried at the Libingan ng Mga Bayani (LNMB) until the remains of the late President Marcos are also buried at the heroes’ cemetery in Fort Bonifacio, Taguig City.

Upon his death, former Col. Ildefonso Perez specifically wrote in his will “NOT TO BE BURIED” at the LNMB until the remains of Marcos was allowed to be interred within the same cemetery to answer for the “blood debt” to the former president for helping him and his brother survive in the Japanese concentration camp during the war.
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Quezon City students receive anti-Marcos books
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/08/27/1617726/quezon-city-students-receive-anti-marcos-books


There you go...More proof that ex-Pres. Marcos was a hero. Yung ibang tao diyan DILAW lang ang kinikilala nilang bayani. But definitely not Hero Bautista or Laylay De Lima.
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Jojo Robles in his column "Lowdown" wrote the following:

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It was Ferdinand Marcos, by the way, who abolished Congress’ pork after he assumed dictatorial powers with the imposition of martial law. If only for that one single act, I think he already qualifies for burial at the Libingan ng Mga Bayani.
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*Sigh*...some people are wasting too much time. To remove the controversy, "Libingan ng mga Bayani" should be renamed "Libingan ng mga Namatay".


MARCOS PROOF THAT HE IS A HERO
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Human rights advocates should stop being selective in applying "due process" & "rule of law". It applies to everyone.
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To the Yellow na Catholics: Kapag namatayan kayo at ipalilibing sa Catholic cemetery, we can object because they were "not good Catholics"?

My point which the Yellow apologists missed. Same with the Civil War in the U.S. Confederate leaders were not shamed.
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