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TGR have no honor.
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Topic Started: Sep 25 2009, 07:46 AM (4,258 Views)
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silentkiller
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Sep 29 2009, 02:58 PM
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Are you watching the same battle reports I am? oh wait you arent looking at battle reports because you havent you been online for a month
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Alfred von Schliefen
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Oct 1 2009, 11:35 AM
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- Moraeth
- Sep 28 2009, 09:24 PM
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- Sep 28 2009, 09:20 PM
- Quantum
- Sep 27 2009, 10:09 PM
- Moraeth
- Sep 27 2009, 05:22 PM
You people keep saying you'll hit me, and there's no shortage of planets in your alliances in my range (many of whom could easily destroy me), and yet I'm still not hit.
I didn't even bother to check your strength when I posted that. If you weren't one third of my strength, I would have been the one to grant your wish. Anyways, think you could do me a favour and grow about 2200 strength? Let me know when you do so I can bring it back down again. 
Hey Quantum, you should be in his range after the visit I gave you.
He'd be a little late. silentkiller and Alfred already paid me a visit. Didn't do nearly as much as they could have, of course, but it amused me. Hey, I paid you another visit.
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Cripple
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Oct 1 2009, 05:24 PM
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- Gilad Pellaeon
- Sep 29 2009, 02:17 PM
- silentkiller
- Sep 29 2009, 01:51 PM
and again with the ignorance of the game mechanics. do you realise how cheap it is to buy infra and increase str in era 2? I mean really?
Problem is we can knock you down faster than aid from the big boys can build you up. The amount of funds you can receive is directly proportional to your PS. So there's only so much you can receive before we beat you back down. The issue here is that you then went on to say that we wouldn't be able to stop you taking over era 3 - the only way that could possibly happen is if we'd almost all gone to era 4. Our era 3 planets would be so far up at the high end, which takes a couple of weeks to get to, that their fleets and armies would just mow down anything that dared to show its face in era 3. You could do it if you were organised enough, and had large numbers of planets move up eras simultaneously, but that would still only work if we didn't have more people in era 3 than you were moving up.
In other words, if you took control of era 3 from us, it would pretty much require us to have mostly moved up to era 4, and the gap would grow ever wider. You can't pretend that just because you've got control of the lower eras, you are somehow in an advantageous position. If it ends up with you all controlling era 4 and all of us in era 5, still growing, then the result would be that there would be too many of us, unable to move any higher in terms of era, for you to use the same trick.
The best that can be said is that your position is not as bad as it looks. It's true that it should be possible to knock someone down faster than they can receive aid, thanks to the strength dependent aid cap and the once a week limit, but with good tactics, we can circumvent the problem. What you fail to remember is that the fact that we are more dominanat in higher eras is impressive to potential recruits. It only takes a small number receiving large amounts of aid to give us a force capable of fighting all the way through.
However, it's largely irrelevant. The system will change with TF2, and things may look rather different (especially if there's a reset, obviously!). I won't speculate on what changes will occur, but there will be changes.
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Cripple
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Oct 1 2009, 05:39 PM
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Incidentally, guys, please can we have 'honour', rather than 'honor'. Also 'defence' rather than 'defense'. These are words which are commonly used in this and other similar games; this isn't mere pedantry - I'm perfectly happy for Americans to have their own spellings, when it's just Americans - what I object to is their use in an international game. If we agree that the language we're using is English, we should write it as it's written in England. To do otherwise only leads to confusion. And my irritation.
(see, I'm no pedant. True pedants would find a sentence beginning with 'and' totally unbearable)
/flamebait
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Melutar
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Oct 1 2009, 07:42 PM
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Cripple it is my opinion that people are allowed to spell things differently. You know what they mean and that's all that matters.
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ElPinchazo
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Oct 1 2009, 10:43 PM
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Incidentally, guys, please can we have 'honour', rather than 'honor'. Also 'defence' rather than 'defense'. These are words which are commonly used in this and other similar games; this isn't mere pedantry - I'm perfectly happy for Americans to have their own spellings, when it's just Americans - what I object to is their use in an international game. If we agree that the language we're using is English, we should write it as it's written in England. To do otherwise only leads to confusion. And my irritation.
(see, I'm no pedant. True pedants would find a sentence beginning with 'and' totally unbearable)
/flamebait deal with it.
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Vanadia
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Oct 2 2009, 12:28 AM
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- Cripple
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- Sep 29 2009, 02:17 PM
- silentkiller
- Sep 29 2009, 01:51 PM
and again with the ignorance of the game mechanics. do you realise how cheap it is to buy infra and increase str in era 2? I mean really?
Problem is we can knock you down faster than aid from the big boys can build you up. The amount of funds you can receive is directly proportional to your PS. So there's only so much you can receive before we beat you back down.
The issue here is that you then went on to say that we wouldn't be able to stop you taking over era 3 - the only way that could possibly happen is if we'd almost all gone to era 4. Our era 3 planets would be so far up at the high end, which takes a couple of weeks to get to, that their fleets and armies would just mow down anything that dared to show its face in era 3. You could do it if you were organised enough, and had large numbers of planets move up eras simultaneously, but that would still only work if we didn't have more people in era 3 than you were moving up. In other words, if you took control of era 3 from us, it would pretty much require us to have mostly moved up to era 4, and the gap would grow ever wider. You can't pretend that just because you've got control of the lower eras, you are somehow in an advantageous position. If it ends up with you all controlling era 4 and all of us in era 5, still growing, then the result would be that there would be too many of us, unable to move any higher in terms of era, for you to use the same trick. The best that can be said is that your position is not as bad as it looks. It's true that it should be possible to knock someone down faster than they can receive aid, thanks to the strength dependent aid cap and the once a week limit, but with good tactics, we can circumvent the problem. What you fail to remember is that the fact that we are more dominanat in higher eras is impressive to potential recruits. It only takes a small number receiving large amounts of aid to give us a force capable of fighting all the way through. However, it's largely irrelevant. The system will change with TF2, and things may look rather different (especially if there's a reset, obviously!). I won't speculate on what changes will occur, but there will be changes. I agree that it is not "as bad as it looks". In fact, I daresay things are going rather nicely. You cannot hedge us out, but we can you. We cannot overtake your large lead, but we can make your lives a living hell, all while growing ourselves. I have given this a good deal of thought, as you will see in the coming days.
I find it a shame in some ways that the world will change as we know it, as I am fairly certain we can force a deadlock at the absolute worst, and (what I find more likely) pull a decisive though dearly bought victory.
You would have done better to leave our allies be. Now you are reaping the whirlwind.
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Cripple
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Oct 2 2009, 06:30 AM
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- ElPinchazo
- Oct 1 2009, 10:43 PM
- Cripple
- Oct 1 2009, 05:39 PM
Incidentally, guys, please can we have 'honour', rather than 'honor'. Also 'defence' rather than 'defense'. These are words which are commonly used in this and other similar games; this isn't mere pedantry - I'm perfectly happy for Americans to have their own spellings, when it's just Americans - what I object to is their use in an international game. If we agree that the language we're using is English, we should write it as it's written in England. To do otherwise only leads to confusion. And my irritation.
(see, I'm no pedant. True pedants would find a sentence beginning with 'and' totally unbearable)
/flamebait
deal with it. Okay.
You've set me a difficult task, sir.
Seriously though, I don't think it's a valid argument that people should be allowed to spell things how they want. Tell that to an English teacher. 'Biscuit', for example, is not spelt 'biskit'. Similarly, honour is not spelt 'honor', not in the language used in England.
Anyway, it's not what this topic is about. I didn't think it was worth its own topic, but neither do I want to derail this one.
Vanadia, I can't agree with your reasoning. Maybe I'm biased - more likely we both are - but there's no way you could make our lives 'a living hell', if the Fall was going to stay like this. Since we play this game mainly for the purpose of fighting wars, wars which we will always win if you have only just got into era 3 and we're all almost to era 4, we're the ones who are going to be enjoying ourselves and winning. We've put a lot of thought into this as well. Regardless, it's not going to remain like this. I suspect the system with be more flexible in future and prevent this kind of lead occuring.
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silentkiller
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Oct 2 2009, 10:18 AM
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- silentkiller
- Sep 29 2009, 01:51 PM
and again with the ignorance of the game mechanics. do you realise how cheap it is to buy infra and increase str in era 2? I mean really?
Problem is we can knock you down faster than aid from the big boys can build you up. The amount of funds you can receive is directly proportional to your PS. So there's only so much you can receive before we beat you back down.
The issue here is that you then went on to say that we wouldn't be able to stop you taking over era 3 - the only way that could possibly happen is if we'd almost all gone to era 4. Our era 3 planets would be so far up at the high end, which takes a couple of weeks to get to, that their fleets and armies would just mow down anything that dared to show its face in era 3. You could do it if you were organised enough, and had large numbers of planets move up eras simultaneously, but that would still only work if we didn't have more people in era 3 than you were moving up. In other words, if you took control of era 3 from us, it would pretty much require us to have mostly moved up to era 4, and the gap would grow ever wider. You can't pretend that just because you've got control of the lower eras, you are somehow in an advantageous position. If it ends up with you all controlling era 4 and all of us in era 5, still growing, then the result would be that there would be too many of us, unable to move any higher in terms of era, for you to use the same trick. The best that can be said is that your position is not as bad as it looks. It's true that it should be possible to knock someone down faster than they can receive aid, thanks to the strength dependent aid cap and the once a week limit, but with good tactics, we can circumvent the problem. What you fail to remember is that the fact that we are more dominanat in higher eras is impressive to potential recruits. It only takes a small number receiving large amounts of aid to give us a force capable of fighting all the way through. However, it's largely irrelevant. The system will change with TF2, and things may look rather different (especially if there's a reset, obviously!). I won't speculate on what changes will occur, but there will be changes.
I agree that it is not "as bad as it looks". In fact, I daresay things are going rather nicely. You cannot hedge us out, but we can you. We cannot overtake your large lead, but we can make your lives a living hell, all while growing ourselves. I have given this a good deal of thought, as you will see in the coming days. I find it a shame in some ways that the world will change as we know it, as I am fairly certain we can force a deadlock at the absolute worst, and (what I find more likely) pull a decisive though dearly bought victory. You would have done better to leave our allies be. Now you are reaping the whirlwind. I'll have whatever your having.
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Vanadia
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Oct 2 2009, 10:29 AM
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- Cripple
- Oct 1 2009, 05:39 PM
Incidentally, guys, please can we have 'honour', rather than 'honor'. Also 'defence' rather than 'defense'. These are words which are commonly used in this and other similar games; this isn't mere pedantry - I'm perfectly happy for Americans to have their own spellings, when it's just Americans - what I object to is their use in an international game. If we agree that the language we're using is English, we should write it as it's written in England. To do otherwise only leads to confusion. And my irritation.
(see, I'm no pedant. True pedants would find a sentence beginning with 'and' totally unbearable)
/flamebait
deal with it.
Okay. You've set me a difficult task, sir. Seriously though, I don't think it's a valid argument that people should be allowed to spell things how they want. Tell that to an English teacher. 'Biscuit', for example, is not spelt 'biskit'. Similarly, honour is not spelt 'honor', not in the language used in England. Anyway, it's not what this topic is about. I didn't think it was worth its own topic, but neither do I want to derail this one. Vanadia, I can't agree with your reasoning. Maybe I'm biased - more likely we both are - but there's no way you could make our lives 'a living hell', if the Fall was going to stay like this. Since we play this game mainly for the purpose of fighting wars, wars which we will always win if you have only just got into era 3 and we're all almost to era 4, we're the ones who are going to be enjoying ourselves and winning. We've put a lot of thought into this as well. Regardless, it's not going to remain like this. I suspect the system with be more flexible in future and prevent this kind of lead occuring. [ooc]I'll grant you 'honour' & 'theatre' do look a lot nicer [/ooc]
Time will tell. Or not.
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