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Topic Started: Sep 11 2009, 01:49 AM (1,535 Views)
Arctic
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Sorry to take so long with my reply, but I am sure that like it is with all of you, real life takes precedence over recreational trolling.

@Kia and Zessa- good wordplay on Fungi and the Mushroom Kingdom, the best I can counter with is that there is nothing remotely Mario Brothers about the Neutered Alliance, and without the goofy fun, there is not much to love about decomposers.

@Zessa- the logical part of my argument may have been difficult for you to follow so I'll summarize it again here.

1. You arrive in the game and join a group of people.
2. Said group of people unwisely pick a fight with the most powerful group in the game.
3. You decide that you don't want to lose a fight, so you ditch your group and form your own group.
4. Post war, there is really no colonies in your faction near your strength so you are the lone targets available to the most powerful group.
5. Recognizing this, you choose to switch faction and join that powerful group so as to ensure your continued protection from war.
6. Not wanting to appear like you have again run from any potential fight, you issue a statement saying that you and your Ravens reject the other two factions for political reasons.


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We could have, but there's effectively no way to be truly neutral when you have to choose a faction, and the performance of a large part of Edictus, including its leader, has proven the faction is simply too unstable to merit our continued residence.

This is a pretty strong statement considering that almost all of Edictus has never started a war in their history. There is no leader in the Edictus save Earth. MK didn't pull strings, they made a plea for help. And unlike you and your brethren, their allies in AGE answered, even with the strong likelihood that we would lose.

So here we are a month later and most of the Edictus who answered that call for help are substantially smaller than the victorious Kantus and your crew. Small enough that I could argue that they pose little to no military threat to you. So the only thing that you potentially had to worry about is feces splatter from another MK shit storm.

But when the previous paragraph is coupled with your clear statement about your Neutered Alliance's firm commitment to neutrality we have to wonder why it wouldn't ostensibly be more than enough to shelter you from any splatter from MK directed shenanigans?

Maybe being in Edictus is not a safe choice for your peace loving eunuchs, but it seems to me that any move would have been enough to distance you safely from your MK roots when the Reavers decide to wake up and come calling again.

Yet you specifically rejected the Arthran faction, which has been by definition neutral in this round. Which leads me, and most other logical unbiased people to believe that all along the Neutered Alliance has not been interested in neutrality, but in keeping its own skin intact.

You joined the Kantus, because they are the last serious threat to your infrastructure. And now that you are in the KLIT, any pretense to neutrality is rendered moot. But at least now, you are clear of any potentially even fights and can ensure that your larger colonies can forsake their peace loving ways for easy to win curbstomps.


Maybe I am wrong, and maybe I am illogical, but I think that most people around here (even your new Kantus allies) are going to secretly side with Weeble and I. You were never neutral, you were just trying to avoid getting hurt. The Machiavellian in me can't help but say "well played", but the rest of me finds your attempts to spackle over your cowardice laughable and worthy of trolling.

So there you go, that's my argument. If it bothers you to deal with my feeble attempts at insulting you, come clean about your opportunistic tendencies and I'll drop the neutered routine. But if you continue to blame this on MK and the rest of Edictus, claiming how we forced you to make good sound political decisions, then I am going to keep trolling anything that you post. And what is more, when this round is another 6 months to a year down the road and the playing field looks considerably different, I am going to hunt down your eunuch's and ensure that eventually war comes to their doorstep.

I doubt your Kantus friends will place much stock in your value. Once an opportunistic turncoat, always an opportunistic turncoat. Ravens or no, you are still a bunch that has shown nothing but self serving cowardice from the day you arrived here.

Adieu,

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Prefontaine
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First off, Agreeing with Weeble? Secretly or not, that'll never happen (he's too insane). Secondly, well written and well thought out argument, the only problem with the whole situation is it can only be speculative at best. No one can really be sure what's going to unfold in the next few months, and where we'll be, so whether they stay true to their word or not will only be proven, or dis proven in time.

Regardless to the circumstances, they are a member of KLIT now, before proverbial shit starts flying further back and forth, remember that when you go around talking about hunting them down in the future.

Like I said though, well written and thought out argument.
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Arctic
Sep 17 2009, 06:43 AM
Sorry to take so long with my reply, but I am sure that like it is with all of you, real life takes precedence over recreational trolling.

@Kia and Zessa- good wordplay on Fungi and the Mushroom Kingdom, the best I can counter with is that there is nothing remotely Mario Brothers about the Neutered Alliance, and without the goofy fun, there is not much to love about decomposers.

@Zessa- the logical part of my argument may have been difficult for you to follow so I'll summarize it again here.

1. You arrive in the game and join a group of people.
2. Said group of people unwisely pick a fight with the most powerful group in the game.
3. You decide that you don't want to lose a fight, so you ditch your group and form your own group.
4. Post war, there is really no colonies in your faction near your strength so you are the lone targets available to the most powerful group.
5. Recognizing this, you choose to switch faction and join that powerful group so as to ensure your continued protection from war.
6. Not wanting to appear like you have again run from any potential fight, you issue a statement saying that you and your Ravens reject the other two factions for political reasons.


You made this comment above:
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We could have, but there's effectively no way to be truly neutral when you have to choose a faction, and the performance of a large part of Edictus, including its leader, has proven the faction is simply too unstable to merit our continued residence.

This is a pretty strong statement considering that almost all of Edictus has never started a war in their history. There is no leader in the Edictus save Earth. MK didn't pull strings, they made a plea for help. And unlike you and your brethren, their allies in AGE answered, even with the strong likelihood that we would lose.

So here we are a month later and most of the Edictus who answered that call for help are substantially smaller than the victorious Kantus and your crew. Small enough that I could argue that they pose little to no military threat to you. So the only thing that you potentially had to worry about is feces splatter from another MK shit storm.

But when the previous paragraph is coupled with your clear statement about your Neutered Alliance's firm commitment to neutrality we have to wonder why it wouldn't ostensibly be more than enough to shelter you from any splatter from MK directed shenanigans?

Maybe being in Edictus is not a safe choice for your peace loving eunuchs, but it seems to me that any move would have been enough to distance you safely from your MK roots when the Reavers decide to wake up and come calling again.

Yet you specifically rejected the Arthran faction, which has been by definition neutral in this round. Which leads me, and most other logical unbiased people to believe that all along the Neutered Alliance has not been interested in neutrality, but in keeping its own skin intact.

You joined the Kantus, because they are the last serious threat to your infrastructure. And now that you are in the KLIT, any pretense to neutrality is rendered moot. But at least now, you are clear of any potentially even fights and can ensure that your larger colonies can forsake their peace loving ways for easy to win curbstomps.


Maybe I am wrong, and maybe I am illogical, but I think that most people around here (even your new Kantus allies) are going to secretly side with Weeble and I. You were never neutral, you were just trying to avoid getting hurt. The Machiavellian in me can't help but say "well played", but the rest of me finds your attempts to spackle over your cowardice laughable and worthy of trolling.

So there you go, that's my argument. If it bothers you to deal with my feeble attempts at insulting you, come clean about your opportunistic tendencies and I'll drop the neutered routine. But if you continue to blame this on MK and the rest of Edictus, claiming how we forced you to make good sound political decisions, then I am going to keep trolling anything that you post. And what is more, when this round is another 6 months to a year down the road and the playing field looks considerably different, I am going to hunt down your eunuch's and ensure that eventually war comes to their doorstep.

I doubt your Kantus friends will place much stock in your value. Once an opportunistic turncoat, always an opportunistic turncoat. Ravens or no, you are still a bunch that has shown nothing but self serving cowardice from the day you arrived here.

Adieu,

Let's correct a few things.

MK started the Genesis War, which is the largest recorded conflict since the Fall happened, and several AGE members supported the Kingdom through that conflict. That pretty much makes Edictus the instigators.

Your point-by-point is completely and utterly wrong. Contrary to what you have repeatedly stated, without any sort of evidence to support your argument, the Ravens did not join Kantus because we felt threatened by KLIT. The reason we joined Kantus - and I know this is going to be a complete shocker - is because we don't like you Edictus types - especially the Mushrooms - and generally feel that galactic peace requires the whole lot of you to drop dead.

Again, that must be a real shocker.

As for Arthran being a neutral faction, I'd like to point out that I'm not a complete moron, and that you're going to have to do a little better than to tell me that the sky is pink. I am very much aware of the Mushroom Kingdom's plans for this game, and those plans include the Arthran faction. Don't believe me? Note that ABC - the largest group on Arthran during the course of NL's existence - is treatied with our hated enemies in MK. Now along comes TGR, who have implanted a colony into Arthran with the sole intent of bringing Arthran under their sway.

Do you really think that Arthran is politically neutral? As much as I like Joint Commander Demeter, he's not doing a very good job of keeping his planets in line.

You can continue on your "neutered league" spiel all you want, for as long as you want, for all the Ravens care. We're fully aware that you're incapable of anything beyond making unsubstantiated character attacks and generally acting like a scolded child.
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Zessa
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To supplement Kia's points: Earth itself is unstable. President Nethun drove not just the Neutral League but a host of other planets to leave with that decision. You will see twenty-two planets that were not affiliated with the Neutral League prior to Earth's declaration now under the Snow Ravens banner. So yes, we absolutely can claim politics as the reason for moving.

Regarding your points, from 3 on you are demonstrating an absolute unwillingness to accept history and a foolish attempt to rewrite it. Do you really think you, an Edictus planetary leader who has been on the losing side of the recent wars, are in any position to determine history? We have stated why we left the Mushroom Kingdom time and time again. Point 3 is bunk. Kantus respected our neutrality while we were neutral. Point 4 is bunk. Points 5 and 6 build on point 4 and are also bunk. If you wish to insult us, at least use facts. Slander is at most an annoyance, whereas facts are a weapon.
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First off, Agreeing with Weeble? Secretly or not, that'll never happen (he's too insane)
This is an OOC attack unprovoked as far as I'm concerned. Not only is he bringing in drama llamas from another game he is attacking my character. Seeing the amounts of warns I have garnered, I expect that this will be handled professionally. Thank you.


Now in response to the thread.

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No one can really be sure what's going to unfold in the next few months, and where we'll be, so whether they stay true to their word or not will only be proven, or dis proven in time.

This is not some random guess work. This is the most logical conclusion. When you have people in TEst and the like in Era 3 max aiding out others there is no way for Edictus to catch up. Not with the nuked donation system that conveniently favored some over others.

@Kia

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especially the Mushrooms - and generally feel that galactic peace requires the whole lot of you to drop dead.
So you want a completely one sided game? Thanks for confirming your love to farm.

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Again, that must be a real shocker.
Not really, I already knew the reasons why you fled the minute you posted your DOE.

If you hate the fact that Arthran is not neutral then you could have easily balanced the sides by joining that Faction. I think that SR could attack ABC without any problems, seeing the sad state of affairs of all KLIT opposition.

@ Zessa

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You will see twenty-two planets that were not affiliated with the Neutral League prior to Earth's declaration now under the Snow Ravens banner. So yes, we absolutely can claim politics as the reason for moving.
The majority of those members joined within a day of your transfer. They are not old members of the Fall. Most likely others you spammed to join so that you could pull this off. They may stay they may not, but you cannot use them to represent Edictus worlds leaving, since in the eyes of those with a shred of rationality they do not represent true Edictus.

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Kantus respected our neutrality while we were neutral. Point 4 is bunk. Points 5 and 6 build on point 4 and are also bunk. If you wish to insult us, at least use facts. Slander is at most an annoyance, whereas facts are a weapon.
I'm sure anyone would respect your neutrality if that meant less targets to worry about and even the prospect of these supposed "neutrals" boosting your own ranks.
Edited by weeble, Sep 17 2009, 05:04 PM.
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Prefontaine, please do not respond to weeble. Please join me on IRC and query me. Weeble, please respond to my PM.

No more discussion about this will happen here. It is under investigation.
Edited by Necoho, Sep 17 2009, 04:28 PM.
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Kia
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OOC Post

Either weeble is suffering from severe Fraunhoffer's syndrome, or the majority of the attacks being leveled are OOC in nature, and thus have no place in this thread.

Either way, no response will be forthcoming from myself until this situation is remedied.
Edited by Kia, Sep 17 2009, 05:21 PM.
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Regarding your replies- I am not privy to inside information, nor do I frequent smoke filled back rooms where political types ply their trade and attempt to pull strings. However, I am a logical thinker and can assess the military strength and economic potential of alliances and factions.

If your move is strictly the result of your personal dislike for the entire Edictus faction, then oddly enough, it happens to be perfectly inline with most opportunistic course of action available. Maybe you are being truthful and strategic thinking really played no role in your decision, but once again, a reasonable person would assume that you went this route deliberately and for the reasons I stated above.

As for MK taking over the world, they might be my allies, but I have to be honest and say that any insidious plots for this game have been handled so poorly that it is time for them to adopt more realistic expectations given their strength and the strategic situation. My guess is that your claims of future MK dominance are just as much a stretch of the truth as your claims of your "coincidental" move to KLIT.

As Weeble stated above, there is only one real power in this game at the moment and you just joined it. TEst has the edge in this game and know how to use it, and thus far their KLIT brothers have been excellent tactically (Reavers were great last war). The only reason we aren't throwing around the word Hegemony is because of the strength ranges and the KLIT leaders unwillingness to push for a decisive and final end in the last war. They pulled back to keep the game interesting and seem content for the moment to play with their food a bit longer before attempting to finish things.

You and your band, whether by accident (as your ridiculous claims assert) or by deliberate action have bandwaggoned onto the strongest power in the game and tipped the scales slightly more in their favor.

But as I said before, time promises only one thing, a dynamic future. Change will happen in ways that we cannot expect, so those of us behind the 8-ball can only follow Sun Tzu's advice and avoid battle while we are weak, with the hope that we can survive long enough to change our situation. Perhaps after a time, the sides will change and tables will turn and I will be able to make good on my promise to remember that you are not to be trusted and will ditch any friend at the first sign of trouble and join with whoever is strongest.

Like I said - Bandwaggoner = You
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Admiral Enema

I have absolutely not a clue about what you guys are howling about. I do love the title of the thread though, it wins.

lol.
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Khestra the Unbeheld
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Sep 19 2009, 05:57 AM
I have absolutely not a clue about what you guys are howling about. I do love the title of the thread though, it wins.

lol.
In a nutshell, a group of Edictus worlds broke off to form the Neutral League, who were then being bullied by their former pals and felt disrespected so they re-formed as the Snow Ravens and became Kantus members and a KLIT faction. Accusations of infidelity and adultery have been thrown, and it's not yet clear whether or not Vanessa's baby is the child of Reginald, her husband, or Tomas, with whom she had a brief affair after an evening of rohypnol and Patron. B-)
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