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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 6 2012, 07:40 PM (2,055 Views) | |
| Pyrite | Nov 6 2012, 07:40 PM Post #1 |
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Formula One is probably the most discussed sport on this forum, so I think it probably deserves its own thread. Anyway, the 2012 season is coming to an end soon. So to start the topic going, do you think Alonso has any chance of catching Vettel this season, and what changes do you think will be made to the grid in the next season? Personally, I think if Vettel finishes the remaining races, he'll win the title. As for grid changes, we already know the McLaren, Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes, Lotus and Toro Rosso line-ups for next year. Glock is staying with Marussia, de la Rosa is staying with HRT and Hulkenberg is moving to Sauber. I expect Maldonado and Di Resta to stay with their teams, and probably Kovalainen (and if he doesn't stay with Caterham, I'd imagine he'll stay on the grid). As for the rest, I'm not as sure (although I still think Senna and Kobayashi will be on the grid next year). |
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| CJ | Mar 25 2013, 04:37 PM Post #31 |
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And now we have the first significant controversy of 2013: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21916317 At the Malaysian Grand Prix, the two Red Bulls were first and second after the final round of pit stops, with Mark Webber leading, and Sebastian Vettel second. In order to protect the team (i.e. to avoid a potential repeat of the collision at the 2010 Turkish Grand Prix), Red Bull instructed the two drivers to hold station in that order. However, Vettel ignored the team order, passed Webber and went on to win the race. Personally, I prefer to see the drivers racing, but I think in this case, the order to hold station was completely reasonable, and it was a poor show by Vettel to break the order. At least he was mature enough to admit to what he'd done and apologise after the race (unlike Ferrari at the 2010 Germany Grand Prix, who denied that "Fernando is faster than you" was a team order....), but Red Bull are going to have to put this behind them quickly, otherwise they risk becoming their own worst enemies. They now need to make sure that the relationship between their two drivers doesn't descend into acrimony over the course of the season, otherwise their Championship challenge could unravel. |
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| Pyrite | Apr 10 2013, 02:59 PM Post #32 |
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Very poor from Vettel, especially considering Red Bull told Webber to slow down and conserve fuel. Unfortunately, I highly doubt that he'll be disciplined for this. |
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| CJ | Apr 10 2013, 03:08 PM Post #33 |
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Same, really. And I bet that he'll do it again if the opportunity arises. So, who's going to win the Chinese Grand Prix, I wonder? EDIT: Yes, he would do it again. My respect for Vettel just fell through the floor: http://planetf1.com/news/3213/8630810/Vettel-I-Would-Probably-Do-The-Same |
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| Pyrite | Apr 26 2013, 07:38 PM Post #34 |
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Yeah, I don't have much respect for Vettel now. Lotus seem to be having a good season, though. |
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| CJ | Apr 27 2013, 08:13 PM Post #35 |
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They do. I think it'll be close between them and Ferrari for 2nd place in the Constructors' Championship. (In fact, they're not even that far behind Red Bull....) |
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| Pyrite | Apr 29 2013, 09:23 PM Post #36 |
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Bernie Ecclestone's announced his latest change to F1. The last placed team on the grid will receive no prize money now. I think this is an attempt to get rid of either Caterham or Marussia... |
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| CJ | Apr 29 2013, 09:35 PM Post #37 |
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Probably. I expect that they'll have to re-open merger talks in order to survive. I'm worried about the long-term consequences of this, though. These teams (along with HRT and USF1) signed up for a low-cost Formula One, only to have the rug pulled from underneath them. Now, who in their right mind is going to want to set up an F1 team? |
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| CJ | May 6 2013, 10:43 AM Post #38 |
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Has Mark Webber already decided to leave F1 at the end of the season? http://www.crash.net/f1/news/190804/1/webber_to_quit_f1_at_end_of_season__report.html According to The Daily Star, he's already told his close friends that he intends to quit at the end of the season, and that he intends to leave Britain and return to his native Australia. I'm reluctant to believe anything from The Daily Star, as it is one of the least reliable tabloids out there, but even so, I wouldn't be surprised if this were true.... |
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| CJ | May 16 2013, 12:36 PM Post #39 |
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OFFICIAL: HONDA TO RETURN TO F1 IN 2015 http://planetf1.com/news/3213/8715391/Honda-Confirm-F1-Return-With-McLaren They'll be replacing Mercedes as McLaren's engine supplier. I, for one, am happy to hear this: we have Williams-Renault, and we'll be getting McLaren-Honda, so it'll be like 1990 all over again !
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| CJ | Jun 27 2013, 10:37 PM Post #40 |
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Pretty major announcement today - Mark Webber will leave F1 at the end of the season: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23074108 He'll be joining Porsche's team in the World Endurance Championship. It's a bit sad that he's leaving F1 without winning the World Championship, but realistically, 2010 was his only chance, and now, his talents are probably better used with Porsche than as Red Bull's number two driver. |
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| CJ | Aug 11 2013, 11:27 PM Post #41 |
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Here are a couple of articles I came across yesterday, which I thought were very good. First one is on 5 drivers who might not be in Formula One in 2014: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1727315-5-drivers-who-may-not-be-in-formula-1-in-2014 Second one is on who Ferrari should have as Alonso's team-mate next year: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1732409-breaking-down-where-ferrari-stand-in-2014-f1-driver-search |
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| Luma Party | Aug 12 2013, 01:51 PM Post #42 |
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Webber is leaving for sure, that is good. I hate how Vettel wins nearly every year. I wish Ferrari would give Jules Bianchi a chance at their team instead of Massa. The young drivers almost never get a good chance. I also hope Kamui Kobayashi comes back next year |
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| CJ | Aug 12 2013, 02:16 PM Post #43 |
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Yeah, I miss Kobayashi . I wouldn't be surprised if Bianchi does end up at Ferrari one day, but it'll probably be after 2014 - right now, he's still learning the ropes. I expect he'll have a year or two at a midfield team (such as Sauber or Force India) before moving to Ferrari. Massa's insanely lucky that he still has his seat at Ferrari, though - myself, I think I would have replaced him after 2011, and if not, I would definitely have replaced him after 2012. |
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| Luma Party | Aug 12 2013, 04:01 PM Post #44 |
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I think Force India will go for Bianchi next year. Gutierrez should be replaced by Kamui Kobayashi next year. Marcus Ericsson, Alexander Rossi, Robert Spenler, Sam Bird and Felpie Naslr deserve to be considered for all teams next year. Ricciardo should go to Red Bull. Vergne should stay a Toro Rosso and will probably be joined by Stefano Coletti. Teams should consider bringing back Vitaly Petrov, Heikki Kovalianen and Bruno Senna back. |
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| CJ | Aug 12 2013, 06:12 PM Post #45 |
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Quite a long list. If only there were more teams in F1 for them . Of course, after the current set of 'new' teams essentially got the rug pulled from underneath them, it's difficult to imagine anyone wanting to set up an F1 team now .
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| Luma Party | Aug 12 2013, 09:20 PM Post #46 |
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Those two teams have both been owned by 3 companies and gone through 3 name changes each. HRT was owned by four companies and then went bankrupt at the start of the season and left. It's just really to get drivers the feel of losing lol. Grosjean got lucky he started with Renault. |
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| CJ | Aug 12 2013, 09:23 PM Post #47 |
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lol . Everyone who's gone to those three teams has got their career stuck in a rut and never recovered, with the exception of Bruno Senna - and even he's out of a drive now. Hopefully, either Caterham or Marussia (or both) will move forward soon, but it feels as though they never will .
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| CJ | Aug 19 2013, 06:21 PM Post #48 |
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Some more news - Kimi Räikkönen will not drive for Red Bull in 2014, so it'll almost certainly be Ricciardo: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23761323 So, where will the Iceman go? Ferrari, or stay at Lotus? |
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| Luma Party | Aug 19 2013, 07:51 PM Post #49 |
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Good decision by Red Bull. Now I hope Räikkönen stays at Lotus. It will hopefully give a young driver a chance at Massa's seat. |
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| CJ | Aug 19 2013, 08:07 PM Post #50 |
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I'm still sticking with Hülkenberg for Ferrari next year. He's been pretty anonymous this year, but only because he hasn't had the car to do anything: considering the circumstances, I think he's done pretty well. |
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| CJ | Aug 25 2013, 07:23 PM Post #51 |
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Well, I thought this weekend's race was pretty underwhelming. Vettel just stormed off into the distance and nobody challenged him. It wasn't the most boring race ever, because there was some action further down the field, but it was disappointing by Spa's standards. It's not all "doom and gloom" just yet - it's only one race, and the exciting races have outnumbered the boring ones this year - but I hope this isn't going to set the pattern for the rest of the season, like it did in 2012. I've seen some people expressing that the cars are too reliable now. After all, in the 1970s and 1980s, the Renault turbo cars would lead early on - and then either they'd win, or they'd break down and someone in a more reliable car would take the victory. It was essentially a case of "the tortoise vs. the hare" - and this was the story until about ten years ago. However, whenever someone disappears into the distance early in the race these days, you can be reasonably sure that they'll go on to win. The regulations that are meant to cut costs are stifling innovation, so teams instead make cars as reliable as they can - and, consequently, they're all tortoises now. So, are the cars "too reliable"? I'm not 100% sure - it was very frustrating to see my favourite drivers breaking down half the time, and that's less of a problem these days - but I do think these people are on to something. Maybe we'll see less reliability when they go back to turbo cars next year .
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| Luma Party | Sep 13 2013, 12:22 AM Post #52 |
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Massa announced he would leave Ferrari but not F1. Also, a day later Räikkönen was officially confirmed to join Ferrari next year. I'm hoping Hülkenberg, Petrov, Bianchi or Kovalainen goes to Lotus next year. EDIT: 118-year old Russian Sergey Sirotkin will join Sauner next year if he can earn a FIA Super Locense by then. I expect Hülkenberg to go to a higher team, Guiterrez to lose his seat and someone like Kobayashi to join Sauber. Edited by Luma Party, Sep 13 2013, 12:26 AM.
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| CJ | Sep 13 2013, 12:32 AM Post #53 |
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I'm glad Kimi's returning to Ferrari, but I'm worried about whether the partnership will last. I can see Alonso leaving the team at the end of 2014. I hope Hulkenberg gets a better seat, because he's wasted at Sauber right now. He seems like an ideal candidate for the remaining Lotus drive. Where will Massa go next year, I wonder? He's another candidate for the Lotus drive, but he could also go to Sauber. If they're bringing Sirotkin in, they badly need someone experienced in the other seat IMO. |
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| CJ | Sep 20 2013, 10:00 AM Post #54 |
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Well, this is pretty amazing: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula-one/24171278 McLaren have announced that they would like Fernando Alonso - who drove for them in 2007, but quickly fell out with them - to return to the team. He would replace Sergio Pérez, while Jenson Button would stay on as his team-mate. I would be shocked if this happened. Alonso didn't fit in at McLaren six years ago, and he wouldn't fit in now. |
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| CJ | Sep 28 2013, 01:43 AM Post #55 |
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A bit of a shocker here: http://www.racingfanatic.net/2013/09/rubens-barrichello-in-frame-for-2014.html Rubens Barrichello has announced that he'd be interested in a return to Formula One next year, perhaps with Sauber as a team-mate to Sergey Sirotkin. He says he'd only need to train his neck, but otherwise, he'd still be capable of racing. I think it's a long shot, but I wouldn't rule it out, given that Michael Schumacher has raised the age bar in recent years, and a Barrichello-Sirotkin line-up would probably be stronger than a Gutierrez-Sirotkin line-up (which would just be a one-eyed man leading the blind, really). Still, it would be rather odd having an 18-year-old and a 41-year-old driving at the same team.... |
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| CJ | Oct 11 2013, 11:05 AM Post #56 |
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I just woke up to some very sad news :http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24487701 Former Marussia test driver María de Villota has been found dead in her hotel room at the age of 33. She suffered a freak accident last July in which she lost her right eye, and I thought she'd been recovering well, but apparently the cause of her death can be traced back to injuries sustained in that crash. She was an inspiration to anyone who had suffed a life-threatening injury - my condolences will be with her friends and family. |
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| Luma Party | Oct 21 2013, 10:00 PM Post #57 |
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"Toro Rosso have announced that up-and-coming Russian driver Daniil Kvyat will race for the team next season, replacing Daniel Ricciardo who moves to Red Bull. Kvyat, a product of the Red Bull Junior Driver Programme, will partner Jean-Eric Vergne at the Italian squad. This year, the Rome-based 19-year old has been competing in GP3 and the European Formula Three championship and he tested for Toro Rosso at the Silverstone young driver session in July. “This is fantastic news, a dream come true and I want to thank Red Bull and Toro Rosso for giving me this priceless opportunity,” said Kvyat. “Ever since I began karting, I wanted to get to Formula One and now that wish will become reality next season. “I had a brief taste of working with the Toro Rosso team, when I drove for them at the Silverstone test and I enjoyed the experience very much. The fact I am based in Italy and speak Italian will, I am sure, help me to become part of the team very quickly.” In 2012 Kvyat took the Formula Renault 2.0 Championship title with seven wins. This year he competed in six rounds of the FIA European Formula Three Championship, taking one win, five poles and five podiums. In addition, he is still in a position to win the GP3 title and is currently just seven points off the series lead. “We are pleased to continue our policy of bringing on drivers from the Red Bull Junior Programme,” said Toro Rosso team principal Franz Tost. “Daniil is a very talented driver, which can be seen from his results in all the junior categories. “He impressed our team with a strong performance and very informative technical feedback at the young driver test in Silverstone. This suggests that the basic qualities from which he can progress are all in place. Daniil can be sure that we will use all our experience of training youngsters to give him the best possible start to his Formula One career."" Daniil Kyvat??? Unexpected... Barrichello would be much better than Gutierrez at Sauber. If Alonso joined McLaren, Pérez would probably go to Ferrari and Hülkenberg to Lotus. |
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| CJ | Oct 21 2013, 10:11 PM Post #58 |
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Wow, that's a surprise. I was expecting António Félix da Costa to go to Toro Rosso! I've never even heard of Daniil Kyvat, but he's not even in GP2 yet, so I'll be surprised if he does well. Gutierrez has improved recently, but I still don't think he's ready to lead Sirotkin. If that's their line-up next year, I think it'll be the weakest on the grid, except maybe for Caterham's (as yet unconfirmed) line-up. Also, why are Lotus taking so long to sign Grosjean's team-mate? I hope Hulkenberg is confirmed soon. |
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| CJ | Oct 26 2013, 08:26 PM Post #59 |
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Urrrrrgh.....the BBC's coverage of F1 is really starting to annoy me. They don't hesitate to shove "Vettel is an all-time great, in the same league as Schumacher and Fangio" down my throat at every available opportunity. Even though he's set to be a four-times World Champion, I think comparing him to Schumacher or Fangio is jumping the gun a bit. The all-time greats have been able to impress regardless of the circumstances - in particular, the quality of their machinery. However, all of Vettel's championships have been from the front; we've yet to see what he can do in machinery that isn't the best. (OK, there was 2008, when he was impressive, but I think any top driver could probably have achieved the same in those circumstances) Don't get me wrong here. Vettel is an extraordinarily talented driver, and one of the best of his generation. I'm even ready to recognise him as a great, in the all-time top 10 drivers. However, I think the jury's still out on whether he's as good as Schumacher or Fangio. Maybe I will one day see him in that regard - but I think we need to reserve judgement on that until later in his career, at least. |
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| Luma Party | Oct 27 2013, 12:08 PM Post #60 |
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Well, he's just had a good car. Alonso, Massa, Hamilton, Button, Rosberg and Räikkönen could all be that great with that car. |
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