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| Mythos | Jul 10 2011, 08:09 PM Post #11 |
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The son of Colonel Cubbage?!
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Fuck off, Flashlight. It's not like you can do anything decent in Garry's Mod or TF2 anyway, so I don't see what's it got to do with you. Eh. I like BDU, but it's too tiny. I tried to do a new PoB with EFM but lack of cooperation and real life prevented me from achieving what I wanted (i.e. begin with an active blog, try and develop a following and then create a forum for GMod comics). Maybe you and I should join forces and build a bigger site for comic makers, Chris. Or even just pick BDU and try to make it bigger. Then again, what's the track record? - PHW went to crap in '08 after Clements decided machinima was cooler than comics and started fucking with his old site (but hey, at least the good members of Litfuse's crew got better jobs while he ended up stuck with two dead sites, so he got what was coming); - Slick (who was a dickhead, by the way; I used to be friends with the guy, but he made me leave the site and never look back) tried to keep PHW alive with plenty of promises, but, like any good politician, he never did fulfill the promises and the site ended up being a troll-hole that eventually died an inglorious death; - Facepunch... well, I don't need to say anything, do I? Its Comics section was 2% great comics and 98% interactive/trolling/crappy comics until this happened. It wouldn't be a big loss if there was an alternative; - Mine-Dog, I don't even know what happened. I did register once, but it was way too hard to fit in that community, since it was about ten or so people with their own private jokes, and, from what Lt_C told me, Waxx ended up closing it up. (It was fun when I got to meet him, though; he thought I was the owner of PoB and wanted to talk to me about a merge, but it was not my place to decide, and Delirium apparently screwed things up with him); - BDU, well, Chris himself said it. It's a good site, don't get me wrong, but we're about four and it's got pretty much the flaw Mine-Dog had; - PoB... it had a great run up until we made Nemi Admin and he started acting behind our backs to make us a part of PHWCrapline. Then Delirium got a troll with mental and emotional issues (literally) to join, which made most members leave and everything went to Hell. He gave up, I tried to bring it back, but he went back just to close up shop before I could do anything. I miss it, to be honest; it was a great community while it lasted. Eh. It's not like I'm very productive and I'm losing interest more and more. Lt_Commander and FZE brought some of it back, but I haven't had the time to do anything. Thinking of just going ahead and calling it quits. |
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| The Gobo | Jul 11 2011, 02:17 AM Post #12 |
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Union Escapee
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Sadly what I've been thinking over the past few days. |
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| Mythos | Jul 11 2011, 02:27 AM Post #13 |
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The son of Colonel Cubbage?!
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I think we all have. Even Chris himself took a break from it, although he's trying to get back. Still, I've been at it since 2007, and I started reading GMod comics in 2005. I still have ideas from 2006 waiting to be done... it's all in my head and I feel the need to do them, but what's the point if there's no audience? |
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| cjr | Jul 11 2011, 09:41 PM Post #14 |
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Post-Modern Time Lord
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I noticed t'other day that there wasn't a comics forum any more. Seemed a shame for the aforementioned 2% decent comics, but there we go... I think it's a bit melodramatic to say the whole Gmod comic thing is dead - sure, it's a lot less popular than it was, but I don't honestly think we'll reach a point where no-one will ever make a Gmod comic again (at least, not in the foreseeable future). I'll admit it's a lot more "fringe" than it was, but I think as long as there's any sort of PC gaming-related community on the internet, there'll be someone making the odd comic. Sure, so specific Gmod comic-oriented communities are a dying breed, but at the end of the day it's a hobby of sorts, and it'll crop up in all sorts of places. And there's still Episode 3/HL3 to look forward to, so there'll probably be a sudden resurgence once that happens. (Although I think it's highly unlikely that it'll be before I turn 30...) Edited by cjr, Jul 11 2011, 09:43 PM.
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| Chris | Jul 11 2011, 10:43 PM Post #15 |
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Union Master General
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I believe that there is an audience out there that still likes/would like them. The issue is trying to reach out to those people. When it comes to making Gmod comic sites simply posting comics on websites and expecting people to flock to your site doesn't work. Building relationships with people dose and helps keep the site ticking over but it creates closed off communities (or the image that they are). I'm not of the opinion that Gmod comics are dead or dieing. I'd say that its more just that how they are seen has changed and that the old model of the Gmod Comic site doesn't work anymore. Once upon a time people who could make comics with solid layouts, speech bubbles and decent posing where rare and revered and people would flock around their comics in awe, that kind of thing made it easy for likes like PHW to spring up and made comics like Concerned such a hit. These days anyone can do it and that level of skill is common place, that is not to take away from people who made comics or who are making them now its just a matter of fact that now 'there are a lot more fish in the sea'. And every so often someone gets ideas of grandeur and starts a site of there own adding more competition to such a small pond. Sites that use the model that PHW used/spawned (thread>img comic>post) don't work with that in mind now. How can you establish a brand when everyone else offers essentially the same thing? In some ways its like the Youtube video reviewer fad we see at the moment. Just about anyone can do it but there's only a few that can get it right. But it doesn't take a university degree to see how they do it and its easy to replicate. I'm not saying we should don cheap suites and do reviews of the Ewoks cartoon but the sites that inevitably spring from them have more that just the latest edition of that series. They have blogs and written reviews, even sketches if they are so inclined. PoB used a similar approach with its blogs, reviews ect. and for that it should be commended (though people where just waiting for End Game ).I suppose in all the focus of future sites should be to offer more but in order to offer more you need to create more. Which these days is the problem for me and a few of you guys too. In honesty the reason I had a 'break' as it where was because of my other creative commitments to my course, my radio show ect. whilst trying to maintain a social life. I won't them again for a while. But it would be fruitless of me to just blitz comics here till it kicks off again. That's not to say that I won't be making comics or that I've given up on the Union, more that I am looking for other ways to create content that fits in more with what I do now whilst finding the best way to deliver it to you all (and others). I'm not saying either that "COMARADES! FROM NOW ON YOU MAKE BLOGS AND WITTY REVIEWS! FOR THE UNION!" more that I saying where I am going from here. As I said I do not belive that Gmod comic making is dead or dieing, its the deicated Gmod Comic site that is. Of course that is only my ten cents on the matter. |
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| Mythos | Jul 11 2011, 11:32 PM Post #16 |
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The son of Colonel Cubbage?!
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Chris, you lost me at "these days anyone can do it" on the part about good comic making. You'd be surprised at the rarity of good comics these days when compared to 2007, which is another reason I say the comics fad is pretty much over.Hey! Not fair! If that's a jab at little old me, I just wanted to try and bring back the sense of community that the early PHW and PoB had. Hell, had it gone better, I would've suggested we affiliated, so BDU could get attention as well and then we could cook up some inter-forums events. Kind of like the PoB/CR-O War. Fuck yeah they should have, that shit was badass. Nah, but seriously now, I was never as excited to do a comic as I was with that pet project, and I'm not sure I ever will again. That's not saying it was the best GMod comic ever (far from it, it could never steal Concerned's thunder and even Andres' comics were a lot better), but the little that I'd done was the best I'd ever made, so I was excited. Pretty much the sole reason I only make a comic or two a year now is that I never managed to finish ENDGAME. Obviously it was my fault, though I also blame ErikKiller for never finishing those maps. Of course, another reason why I stopped doing them so much is pretty much the same as Chris' - I got into university, which meant a whole new social circle, a whole new life (pretty much literally; only a few people from high school remained and I wasn't as close to the rest, so it was a fresh start for me that, thankfully, I didn't screw too badly), and a whole lot of new hardships. The first year in particular was pretty hectic in terms of social life, though it was oh so much fun; this year, which will officially end for me on Friday, was much less about hanging out and a lot more about work, and, frankly, it was the worst school year I've ever had, both grades-wise and in terms of stress. Hence why I started doing even less comics than I used to. I kept doing skins every now and then for fun (which reminds me that I'll get to work on cjr's on Saturday!), but, other than that, I only touch GMod once every two months or so. By the way, Chris, here's some very good advice Lt_C passed to me: if you start to diverge too much from the original point of your site, you'll go down. That's what happened with PHW and Mine-Dog, they stopped focusing on the comics and too much on harder stuff and couldn't continue with it. Oh, and sure, call me melodramatic for saying "GMOD COMICS ARE DEAD NOO", but this was my main hobby for a long time. I'm gonna get bored with the Internet if it turns out I'm one of the last. NEWSFLASH! I got word of the reason why the FP Comics section is over, and it turns out Chris was pretty much right. And yes, I know we're alarmists for taking this as a sign of GMod comics being over, but it's just one more sign of it. Maybe with Episode Three... Edited by Mythos, Jul 11 2011, 11:36 PM.
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| The Gobo | Jul 12 2011, 01:51 AM Post #17 |
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Union Escapee
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Chris: "for likes like PHW" You make it sound like PHW are evil... or is that just me? I will admit that I kinda agree with both Chris and Mythos at this point, but I'm not sure how to explain how I do... Though I would like to requisition and explanation as to the full history of the BDU as a whole. That is, the events that were originally explained in comics (from what I gather) |
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| Mythos | Jul 12 2011, 02:16 AM Post #18 |
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The son of Colonel Cubbage?!
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Uh, what? |
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| Chris | Jul 12 2011, 12:27 PM Post #19 |
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Union Master General
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Hell no dear, I've been a member of many sites with people thinking they are the next big thing after like three comics, most lasted about a month (there was one which lasted a week but that's a different story)
You mean as in State of the Union type origins or real life type origins? |
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| The Gobo | Jul 12 2011, 03:12 PM Post #20 |
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Union Escapee
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As in what I hear was supposedly there was a war, PHW got either damaged or destroyed, the PoB got pretty much whooped, the BDU went into hiding, and it was all cause of the SSL. That's about all that I know. ![]() I was wondering if there was more to it. |
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