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| famicommander | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 08:26 PM Post #1 |
Wipe that face off your head, bitch.
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I think we can all agree that the current tax system is bullshit. It's socialistic and it punishes success. It discourages entrepreneurship and fucks up market competition. But I think most people, even the most hardcore libertarians, agree that the government needs to generate revenue. They need to pay off our national debts, they need to fund the military, they need to fund the police force, and they need to maintain government buildings (military bases, Pentagon, White House, state capital buildings, etc). So what is the best solution? 1. Vastly, vastly decrease spending. Limit spending to the protection of the rights of citizens. Police, military, disability (in some cases), and pretty much nothing else. Abolish the US Department of Education, Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Homeland Security, Department of Health and Human Services, the Federal Bureau of Investigation among other bloated bureaucracies. Leave people who are physically able to work to provide for themselves. 2. Abolish the minimum wage, income tax, capital gains tax, estate tax, inheritance tax, and corporate taxes. This will stimulate massive domestic economic growth and eliminate unemployment to the greatest degree possible. 3. Institute a national, monthly tax. Make every adult in the country pay 150 dollars per month regardless of income, background, ethnicity, or anything else. 150 dollars would be a lot less money because without all the other taxes people would be making more money, inflation would be under control, and things would cost less. That's less than a lot of people already pay in taxes per month. There are roughly 220 million adults in the country right now. That means the government would be generating $32,000,000,000.00 dollars per month, or 396 billion dollars per year. That would be more than enough to pay for police, military, disability, and maintenance of government property. If ever we needed more revenue, the government could institute a national 5% sales tax to cover the difference. The budget for this year was about 3 trillion dollars. Most of that went to social security, medicare, welfare, defense, education, and the environment. All spending on everything listed would be abolished except defense. Defense would be drastically reduced because we would bring home all of our troops from foreign nations (except Iraq and Afghanistan) and we would avoid future wars. We would stop foreign aid to other countries, and there would be free market competition for the right to supply the government with military supplies. There are at least 20 million illegals working in this country. If they were made to pay this simple tax, then that's an extra 36 billion per year. I also figure that instituting such policies would result in a population boom, from both natural births and the flow of immigrants. So there's more potential revenue. And a 5% sales tax would be for emergency purposes. 5% of every dollar spent in this country is probably some astronomical number that I'm far too lazy to even try to calculate. |
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| lilburtonboy7489 | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 09:18 PM Post #2 |
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We should cut all spending right now. Take all our troops across the world and bring em back, get rid of social security, medicare, public schools, welfare, public roads, everything. To match it, cut all taxes. Make sure we cut government spending and taxes at a rate where the government can have enough revenue to pay off the ridiculous debt. Once debts is paid off, have a state sales tax set by each state between 3-5%. Have the state give 1% of their tax revenue to the federal government which will consist of no more than a pentagon and white house. The pentagon for strictly defensive coordination of each states militia, and the white house for the commander in chief. Each state will use it's sales tax revenue to pay for a court system and state military, not police or anything else. That's it. By the way, how do I get an article approved that I wrote? Edited by lilburtonboy7489, Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 09:22 PM.
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| Necrotrophic | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 09:51 PM Post #3 |
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I dont even know if I agree with sales tax. I mean, logically it makes sense but its hard to justify because it implies you need to pay the government in order to exchange things. the only system i can come up with would be extremely minimalistic, in which people can opt out of taxation and we would merely hope that paying the voluntary taxes would be a badge of honor, much like charity and volunteer work is. |
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| lilburtonboy7489 | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 09:59 PM Post #4 |
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if you can opt out, it's no longer government, it's a club |
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| famicommander | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 10:14 PM Post #5 |
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Wipe that face off your head, bitch.
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As much as I hate taxation, it is a necessary evil. If we are truly living in a system of self-government (I know we aren't right now; I'm talking about the ideal situation) and the sole function of government is to protect rights, then we as citizens have an obligation to contribute to that idea. We have no obligation to provide things like food, health care, education, or luxuries to one another. But if we are voluntarily living in a country based upon self-government and we all agree that the protection of rights is the only legitimate function of government then we have an obligation to help provide for that sole, legitimate function. Police forces are necessary to protect citizens from one another. Military forces are necessary to protect citizens from foreign threats. |
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| famicommander | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 10:16 PM Post #6 |
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Wipe that face off your head, bitch.
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Oh, and I published your article. You just have to let us know when you've submitted something so Dave, Luis, Cody, Brad, or I can look it over. |
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| lilburtonboy7489 | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 10:24 PM Post #7 |
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great, thank you much |
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| Cube_of_MooN | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 10:38 PM Post #8 |
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I don't agree with this. "1. Vastly, vastly decrease spending. Limit spending to the protection of the rights of citizens. Police, military, disability (in some cases), and pretty much nothing else. Abolish the US Department of Education, Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Homeland Security, Department of Health and Human Services, the Federal Bureau of Investigation among other bloated bureaucracies. Leave people who are physically able to work to provide for themselves." While some of those government agencies may be bloated and need some cutting down, abolishing them goes too far. Each of those agencies exists for a reason... |
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| Necrotrophic | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 10:50 PM Post #9 |
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the department of education has been a controversy since it was established, the EPA dosent do diddly other than force new businesses to comply with laws that big business gets away with, and violates property rights, the department of homeland security is a joke, i dont think anyone denies that one. the department of health and human services? i really dont know much about them. the fbi i really dont have a direct opinion on |
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| Cube_of_MooN | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 11:00 PM Post #10 |
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Well, if the EPA is not enforcing the laws fairly, then change it so it is enforcing them fairly rather than abolishing it. How does it violate property rights? Yeah, the department of homeland security probably isn't needed. I really don't know much about the department of health and human services or education, but I imagine they must have some role in how things are run, and abolishing them totally would leave a void. As far as the FBI goes, I think there should be a federal police agency of sorts, not sure if it should be changed from how it works now, but again, I'm not sure if just abolishing it would help or hurt things. |
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| lilburtonboy7489 | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 11:02 PM Post #11 |
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not only are those programs immoral, but you are assuming that they would only exist through government coercion. |
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| Cube_of_MooN | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 11:04 PM Post #12 |
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Immoral? By what standard? |
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| famicommander | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 11:10 PM Post #13 |
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Wipe that face off your head, bitch.
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Department of Education: Education should be privatized completely. EPA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market_environmentalist Homeland Security is a waste of money and it only serves to violate our rights. Terrorists were pissed off at us throughout the Reagan years and we managed just fine without roving wire taps and the PATRIOT Act. Health and Human Services is just a gigantic bureaucracy that didn't even exist until Carter came around. Not coincidentally, healthcare quality has been on a downward slope since Carter came around. They interefere wit a person's right to self-medicate, they approve drugs that end up killing people in the long run, they grant funding to some companies in favor of others, and they pay to slant drug testing results to keep some substances illegal (marijuana, for one). The FBI is useless. Rather than using it we should just coordinate state and local police forces with reserve military and the CIA. Don't let the government take over or combine any of the above, but let them work together to accomplish goals that would be mutually beneficial. Government programs don't work. The private sector is ALWAYS cheaper, more effective, and more efficient. The government should be removed from our lives as much as possible. We should only notice that the government even exists when they stop a threat to our rights. |
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| lilburtonboy7489 | Wednesday Dec 3 2008, 11:18 PM Post #14 |
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as humans, our free will shouldn't be violated. all of those things require the use of force. do you really believe we should use force against each other? |
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| Necrotrophic | Thursday Dec 4 2008, 05:06 PM Post #15 |
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change molds name back in 2011
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it violates property rights by saying I cant do certain things to land that I may own. If I own a field, I have every right to do whatever I want with that field, including polluting it. As long as it dosent effect someone else. If it did effect someone else, then it wouldnt need an EPA anyway, as it would be a violation of someone elses property and you could simply have the police take care of it. |
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| famicommander | Thursday Dec 4 2008, 05:16 PM Post #16 |
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Wipe that face off your head, bitch.
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This is the key. We don't need god damn separate government bureaucracies to enforce different parts of the law. The court system and police should be able to handle everything. The judges, lawyers, and law enforcement officers should know the laws they're trying to enforce and the people in Congress should be very clear about what the laws mean. The FBI, ATF, Department of Homeland Security, CIA, local law enforcement... They don't need to be separate entities with separate regulations, payrolls, and leaders. If someone is doing something illegal, then state or local law enforcement should be the ones to take care of it. If it gets out of hand, then the military. |
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Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars | |
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