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| Necrotrophic | Thursday Nov 20 2008, 08:50 PM Post #21 |
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I think anyone who can read and do basic math should have the right to vote. If that makes me elitist, then by all means im elitist. |
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| famicommander | Thursday Nov 20 2008, 09:48 PM Post #22 |
Wipe that face off your head, bitch.
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The ability to read or do math is not relevant to every person's situation. My grandfather couldn't read until he was 26 years old, beyond writing his own name. But he was and still is a damn intelligent man, and he knew what was best for his family and his situation. Reading isn't much use when all you do is farm from sun rise to sun set. |
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| Necrotrophic | Thursday Nov 20 2008, 10:56 PM Post #23 |
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reading can make you better at anything, even farming. knowledge is power and power counts everywhere. chances are people who cant read or do math would vote for growth in government in ways that its unconstitutional. "woah, FREE healthcare? count me in." im already aware that many people vote for these things that can read and do math. I do think literacy goes beyond knowing how to pronounce the words you see though, so if you cant prove you actually understand the words you read you would fail the test. I stand by it. You could even have a word problem(s) as the test to cover both. You know, I actually tried teaching a kid how to do math with a calculator in my 11th grade year (he was in the same grade as me, and I couldnt get him to figure out 1+1) I really dont want that moron voting. |
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| famicommander | Thursday Nov 20 2008, 11:01 PM Post #24 |
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Wipe that face off your head, bitch.
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That's ridiculous. No test can be given to gauge a man's ability to take responsibility for his own situation. What you're saying is that some people know what's best for society as a whole, which is completely contrary to the core principles of libertarianism. If someone can't read but is totally opposed to abortion, they have the right to vote for the pro-life candidate. Conversely, if someone can't add or subtract but favors gay rights, they have every right to vote for the gay rights candidate. You're saying that people who don't meet your arbitrary standards aren't fit for self-government. If some people can't be trusted to vote, how can they be trusted to eat, care for their children, drive a car, provide for their own healthcare, or hold down a job? |
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| Necrotrophic | Thursday Nov 20 2008, 11:11 PM Post #25 |
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I dont find it to be ridiculous at all. I think people who are more educated are more likely to be capable of independence. To be honest, im not really a fan of voting period. Also, what im about is not anti-libertarian. People are not created equal, they just have equal rights. Some people are just too stupid to make decisions that effect me. Not everyone even has the right to vote, as you have to register before hand, which requires you to read in the first place. In my perfect world, the government dosent change. It defends individual rights. Stupid people are more likely to violate individual rights. Libertarianism is all about noncoercion and voluntary effort. Libertarianism has very strict ideas on what government even does, and really in a libertarian utopia there wouldnt be a need for voting in the first place. someone whos anti abortion and cant read most likely dosent have any knowledge about what happens during abortion and wouldnt be a good candidate to make any form of call over it, or anything for that matter. taking care of yourself is easier for some people than making a good vote. Stupid people do stupid things though, thats why stupid people stay at the bottom. At least at the bottom, they wont effect me. |
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| famicommander | Thursday Nov 20 2008, 11:16 PM Post #26 |
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Wipe that face off your head, bitch.
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You're diving into two entirely different issues. Yes, there would of course be voting in a libertarian utopia. We'd still have to elect leaders and make decisions about how best to protect our rights. So even in a perfect libertarian world, everyone needs a voice. Why shouldn't the uneducated have a say in who represents America on the world stage? Why shouldn't these so called peons be able to have a say in how their rights are protected? Again, you're saying that you have the right to make these decisions for other people. You have the right to decide for everyone else who represents the United States of America on the world stage. You have the right to decide who is the man in charge of our military, but someone else doesn't because he doesn't meet your ridiculous standards. |
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| stingerxxx | Friday Nov 21 2008, 01:45 AM Post #27 |
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SEC. 2. No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color. Voting rights act of 1965. And as far as this country not being democratic, we're talking about VOTING. There is no voting in a republic. In a republic, there is one house - Senate. Senators are from the upper classes of society and appointed because their related to the right people, have alot of money, are well known teachers and knowledgeable of the law and the ways of government, or because they beat another candidate in a duel to the death. Rome, the most successful and powerful republic ever created didn't have voting. They didn't even have many rights. Old England, though it was a parlimentary system, was a type of republic. There was no voting. People didn't have a voice. Athenian Greece, the greatest known democracy of the old world had one leader. He wasn't a despot, he wasn't even powerful. His job was to ascertain and inact the will of his people. The United States of America is neither of these. It is both. We have two senatorial houses, a high judicial system (the first in history to be fully judicial) and a leader appointed by the people to serve the role of enacting the peoples will. I would also like to point you to amendments 15,19,23,24, and 26. All have to do with voting rights, and can be found here. I hope I answered your question satisfactorily, and if not I'd be gald to continue this debate in a different topic. |
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| Necrotrophic | Friday Nov 21 2008, 10:41 AM Post #28 |
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no there wouldnt, there would be a very static government. most of the coercion in this country came about the same way you speak of. the best way to protect rights is already established by the constitution its self, theres no need to change. In a libertarian utopia, the voice comes via the market. If the people want to vote, then they can learn how to read and do math to prove they can make a decision that isnt based upon immediate self interest, which usually comes via government hand outs. all in all, I wouldnt be entirely against the idea of the people only voting for house representatives like it used to be, I dont like the fact that the president became very king like. |
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