H8sMikeMoore

Sunday Nov 9 2008, 09:39 AM

prove otherwise, avoid petty cheapshots because it makes you look worse, and highly uneducated in the field of austrian economics.

H8sMikeMoore

Sunday Nov 9 2008, 09:07 AM

No it didnt work. ever since its creation in 1913 its been devaluing our monitary system. WHAT ABOUT DEVALUING WORKS? The sole purpose of the federal reserve is so that banks can have an opprotunity to be irresponisble with money, thus creating bad business practice. We are literally paying interest on every dollar we spend, and politicians have been using the federal reserve to print money to spend on their pork projects. What about that is deregulation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_reserve#Handling_of_The_Great_Depression
Through this inflation, people were able to live outside their means in a way they havent before. This is what caused the great depression.
Instead of just saying things work, I want you to pricesly point out what works about it, so that I can swiftly end this argument that is clearly wrong.

The US Economy has always dominated the world, the more we regulate the easier it is to compete with us. As far as your statements about the EU, I would say prove it or dont say it.

No I didnt miss the point, on the contrary, YOU missed the point. No company jumps ship over night, its too expensive and hasty (which could mean record losses) If you owned a business, where are you going to have your things created? In a country that demands 7.50 or whatever the new minimum is, along with bogus environmental concerns and mandatory healthcare costs? or a country that has no regulation for these things? If things were made in the USA with our current system things would be ridicuously expensive. Another point is that you have to pick the right country, you can just pack up and goto any old country, some of them have really strict laws, in which you could possibly face death for something. This is obviously not wanted. Companies have been given tax breaks for sending there jobs over seas, this is not deregulation. Infact it IS regulation (Also, its important to note: Barack Obama campaigned on this very subject)

Theres no need to become nationalists either, protecting jobs is not a good idea. Rather we should simply create new ones.


I explained why the system sucks, and why Obama also sucks. Understand that.


Of course I didnt forget this was a republic and theres no need to even bring that up, outside of the possibility that you wanted to announce you know that it is a republic rather than a democracy. the patriot act is not reminiscent of socialism, rather fascism and totalitarianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_state. Often they entertwine, but regardless they are not the same thing.

CHORES are enforced by parents. CHILDREN DO NOT BELONG TO THE GOVERNMENT.
"And these are children" No they arent. This is beyond ignorant on your behalf, because this goes for college students too. I am a 22 year old college student. I am not a child, I dont have this lesson to learn. IF the parents want the younger kids to do community service, then the parents will make them. If not then dont expect it. Because everyone has different morals and NOBODY should be FORCED into something they dont want to do, unless they exhibited force initially.

I want to make this very clear: PROVE IT, OR DONT SAY IT. You have a tendancy of just saying "things work, because we do them." Theres no other way to describe this other than blatant ignorance, or trolling.

H8sMikeMoore

Sunday Nov 9 2008, 12:55 PM

Loopy, let me make it very clear to you that I find you to be one of the absolute least educated people ive ever come across on the internet. That says a lot. You are here for no other reason other than to establish what the very bottom of the barrel of stupidity is.

H8sMikeMoore

Sunday Nov 9 2008, 02:05 PM

lets hope so

famicommander

Friday Nov 7 2008, 04:42 PM

Fuck that.

So, under Obama we've already seen the following:
1. Russia being more aggressive when it comes to weapons
2. The US stock market taking a huge hit
3. The Euro hitting a decade low
4. The loss of many, many American jobs
5. The promise of more government intervention in the gaming industry

And now, forced and unpaid labor. And he won't even take office for another few months.

Change, indeed. It's all part of Comrade Obama's master plan for us all.

jaydough

Sunday Nov 9 2008, 09:19 PM

famicommander

Friday Nov 7 2008, 04:42 PM

Fuck that.

So, under Obama we've already seen the following:
1. Russia being more aggressive when it comes to weapons
2. The US stock market taking a huge hit
3. The Euro hitting a decade low
4. The loss of many, many American jobs
5. The promise of more government intervention in the gaming industry

And now, forced and unpaid labor. And he won't even take office for another few months.

Change, indeed. It's all part of Comrade Obama's master plan for us all.

He's not even the president yet and you're complaining.

H8sMikeMoore

Sunday Nov 9 2008, 12:53 PM

Children do belong to their parents. If the parents want community service, then the parents will tell the kid to do it. The government is not here to tell people how to live their lives. My argument applies to forced labor that comes from people that have no authority to tell you what to do. When you're 18, you're an adult and can make your own decisions. However, while you're a child, you belong to your parents. The state plays no VALID role in this, regardless of whether they think they do or not.

H8sMikeMoore

Sunday Nov 9 2008, 12:53 PM

If everyone pulled there money from the banks then there couldnt be a great depression like there was. This would force everyoen to live within their means. Which would be a good thing, and wouldnt result in any crisis. Its not the banks fault perse, its the federal reserves fault for printing money to give to people that had no worth, thus causing inflation. I dont know how many more times you can actually dance around that very simple fact that you either intentionally ignore or dont understand.

Good job, you proved that the more we regulate, the worse we do. This also has to do with the fact that many countries literally own us, due to our debt. We borrow, therefor they own.

The USA had no regulations at one point, and we dominated. Every 4 years, it seems we regulate more and every 4 years we go down the drain just a little bit more. You can make profit here, but in this day when you HAVE TO TAKE INTO FACT THE MINIMUM WAGE, ALl THE HEALTH BENEFITS, ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS, PRICES MUST GO UP.

No, im arguing against socialist policies period. The further you go into socialism, the more its going to piss me off. The more I wil complain about it. Understand I have arguments about both of them. I dont like public schooling, and I dont like what he wants to do WITH public schooling. I HAVE ABSOLUTELY VALID REASONS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT BOTH. its not my fault if you dont understand that very simple fact.

I didnt fucking say that at all, I said at least he wouldnt do "this". "this" is specific to the community service.

Children do belong to their parents. If the parents want community service, then the parents will tell the kid to do it. The government is not here to tell people how to live their lives. My argument applies to forced labor that comes from people that have no authority to tell you what to do. When you're 18, you're an adult and can make your own decisions. However, while you're a child, you belong to your parents. The state plays no VALID role in this, regardless of whether they think they do or not.

Its not my duty to research what you say, you're trying to convince me afterall. Theres not much to research for what you say anyway, you simply say "It works because we do it." I have actually researched some of it, mostly the reserve.... And I proved that is infact dosent work. But you wont have it, because in your fantasy land, it works because we do it. My argument against yours wins, because I did it.

Heres where I adressed them and heres how you danced around it:

"No it didnt work. ever since its creation in 1913 its been devaluing our monitary system. WHAT ABOUT DEVALUING WORKS? The sole purpose of the federal reserve is so that banks can have an opprotunity to be irresponisble with money, thus creating bad business practice. We are literally paying interest on every dollar we spend, and politicians have been using the federal reserve to print money to spend on their pork projects. What about that is deregulation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_reserve#Handling_of_The_Great_Depression
Through this inflation, people were able to live outside their means in a way they havent before. This is what caused the great depression.
Instead of just saying things work, I want you to pricesly point out what works about it, so that I can swiftly end this argument that is clearly wrong."

Response:
- Probably the most obvious thing you seemed to have ignored: The FDIC. Without it, everyone would have pulled their money from the banks by now and our current economic crisis would be much worse(WHY?). And you seem to contribute the great depression entirely to regulation, when it's the banks fault for lending credit to people who can't afford it.

You made statements that had no real backing to them. This is a blank statement. Why would it be worse? All that it would mean is that people essentially wouldnt have loans. This would not bankrupt america, this would mean that everyone would only be able to spend what they currently HAVE. How this means people will contribute to an economic situation that is worse is beyond me. The only way that would happen is if someone spent all their money, but even then the money would circulate.

You dont know why the banks loaned money to people who couldnt afford it. Its not greed. Greed would let you know you're getting fucked in this deal. Its because the federal reserve gave them moeny thats not backed by anything, this makes it easier for banks to give customers their money when they want it, and then they dont have to say "Sorry, we dont have it" because of bad business practice. All it is, is false security.

Milton Friedman, a leading economist explains the federal reserve:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V5OP-VmXgE

If you have critical thinking skills, you can see that money being given, thats merely printed has no real value.