The_Ish

Saturday Nov 8 2008, 12:58 AM

famicommander

Saturday Nov 8 2008, 12:38 AM

Obama is further socializing a system that is already too socialistic.

Which isn't a problem at all. It's a socialist system, so any socialist policies meant to make children into better citizens is completely okay.

You're trying to blame Obama for making policies that are in line with what we already have.

famicommander

Saturday Nov 8 2008, 01:32 AM

That's utopian bullshit. Forcing people to work for no wages does not make them better citizens. If anything, it makes them resentful.

famicommander

Saturday Nov 8 2008, 01:30 AM

-No, if they are charging more to make the same profit then people will pay more. If the average consumer is more frugal then consumption suffers and the economy does not grow.

- Wrong. Deregulation leads to free market competition. The free market dictates that the company which offers the best products at the best prices will prosper and will therefore benefit everyone. The government trying to stifle the growth of large corporations is what keeps smaller corporations from starting up and prospering.

- The problem is that he won't trade with them if they don't fix their own issues. Without our trade commerce they can ill afford to fix things, and without their labor our companies will suffer. It's a lose-lose situation. We're letting the internal issues of other countries damage our own economy.

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What aren't you understanding? He clearly said that EVEN IF the companies do a responsible job of self-policing, there is a place for the federal government in the private market of the video game industry. Nothing good could possibly come from the government forcing itself into more private business. He would make it illegal for companies to sell games with content that he deems unacceptable. That's censorship, and the regulation he put in place to keep tabs on it would surely drive up development costs. An increase in development costs would mean an increase in game prices.

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How is it not? He's the one who made the decision without the consent of the taxpayers who fund the system or the people whose children will be directly affected.

H8sMikeMoore

Saturday Nov 8 2008, 12:50 PM

greenspan is the head of the fed reserve. what do you expect him to say? Do you expect him to go against his socialist style organization? Not a chance.

EVerything that we have thats good came from the free maket, the more we regualte and try to be like europe, sadly the more like them we become.

WE lost jobs over seas because of the greed of the man at the bottom assuming his labor is worth more than it really is, so he demanded minimum wage and forced health benefits whose prices would stay high due to a nonfree market.

just because its already happening dosent make it good. It needs to be removed. the government has NO right to tell individuals what to do with their own lives. Thats not a free society.

bush would never even try anything like this, as bad as he was.

forced labor is forced labor.

Back during the times of black slavery, I guess it was ok to keep around because it was already there? Thats a complete and logical fallacy, and yes you did say that.

H8sMikeMoore

Saturday Nov 8 2008, 03:19 PM

the federal reserve is here now and the same things are happening(banks are falling). the federal reserve dosent work, it prints money that isnt backed by anything just so people can "have their money" which coincidently isnt worth anything (annd its illegal to exchange your money for gold, which would hold the entire system in check). this drops the value of the dollar, this is inflation. without saying "it works, because we do it" try elaborating if youre going to sell a system that clearly dosent work.

we dont have a stronger market, our economy is not anywhere near where it used to be. we keep regulating and we keep getting worse, and when social justice comes into play we end up hurting ourselves. for example: the us housing market which is the backbone to all our problems. the community reinvestment act is what caused this.

NO, we lost jobs over seas because we forced them over there with minimum wage increases, health benefits, environmental regulation etc. thats why they go over there. if theyre trying to make something to sell in the states, its cheaper tomake it here logically. BUT! employers cant choose how much they pay people, so they have to go over seas. GOVERNMENT DID IT.

yes it is a valid argument. if im losing tax dollars and i lose more in starting next week, just because its there dosent mean its right. I dont want it period, and going further down the hole is only pissing me off more. Its a completely valid argument, and if you dont see that then thats a personal problem that you have, and is not invalid by what he said, but rather your lack of understanding.

who cares if he listens? he at least wouldnt do this.

community service is fine, dont force it.

Slavery is forced labor. Thats what you dont know. I think you need to learn that, heres an example. If I owned a slave, and gave him money for his work, but he had to do it anyway and had no choice in the matter of whether he worked or not, hes clearly a slave and you cant say he isnt. Kids dont get anything back, they learn resentment for not being able to do what they want.
Heres another point: not everyone has the same morals so get off your high horse and stop assuming just because you think something is nice that it fits for everyone. This is the basis of individualism and capitalismm. So what if this country is basically socialist? thats not an intelligent point to make, we obviously dont want socialism, so we argue against it. This is the topic of the day, so for the love of god please retire the weak arguments youve made.

famicommander

Saturday Nov 8 2008, 09:38 PM

* Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of the roughly 3.2 million high school seniors who graduate each year who aren't cut out for college, or aren't yet ready for what's left of its rigors, will not go into private-sector jobs that might make sense for them, but will instead erroneously or prematurely choose higher education, partially because of this perk.

H8sMikeMoore

Sunday Nov 9 2008, 09:07 AM

CHORES are enforced by parents. CHILDREN DO NOT BELONG TO THE GOVERNMENT.
"And these are children" No they arent. This is beyond ignorant on your behalf, because this goes for college students too. I am a 22 year old college student. I am not a child, I dont have this lesson to learn. IF the parents want the younger kids to do community service, then the parents will make them. If not then dont expect it. Because everyone has different morals and NOBODY should be FORCED into something they dont want to do, unless they exhibited force initially.