LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:43 PM

H8sMikeMoore

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:42 PM

Libertarians oppose taxation. Do you respect it now?

As much as I'd hate to continue this argument (since it has taken over a page of the discussion) I believe in taxation as long as it is for a good reason. You can't have a government without taxation.

H8sMikeMoore

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:45 PM

who determines what a good reason is? You?

LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:47 PM

H8sMikeMoore

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:45 PM

who determines what a good reason is? You?

The people. We have MPs who represent our local communities discussing what should be taxed or not.

famicommander

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:49 PM

LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:47 PM

H8sMikeMoore

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:45 PM

who determines what a good reason is? You?

The people. We have MPs who represent our local communities discussing what should be taxed or not.

"The People" of Nazi Germany once decided that it was alright to slaughter Jews. "The People" of America once decided that slavery was alright.

The only just function of goverment is the protection of the universal rights of its citizens.

LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:52 PM

Nazi Germany was facist. People were beaten, tortured and scared into voting and agreeing with whatever Hitler said or planned. The people of America during the 19th centuary was a lot less intolerant of other cultures and races. They also had a less moral look on life, so there was slave trade. It is different now.

famicommander

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:54 PM

LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 05:52 PM

Nazi Germany was facist. People were beaten, tortured and scared into voting and agreeing with whatever Hitler said or planned. The people of America during the 19th centuary was a lot less intolerant of other cultures and races. They also had a less moral look on life, so there was slave trade. It is different now.

Hitler was elected. People voluntarily signed up for things like the Hitler Youth and even the Nazi army. And by the by, he didn't call it facism. He called it "state socialism".

And to assume that human morality has truly evolved beyond the point of persecution in any matter is folly.

H8sMikeMoore

Friday Nov 7 2008, 06:19 PM

not until he was elected. the people decided that the jews and slavs should be dead.

lets pretend that hitler wasnt elected.

if someone ran in a democracy and said "Elect me and ill kill all the niggers and kykes"

lets say he got elected, and he kills them. Thats tyranny of the majority, and coincidently the beauty of democracy as people who support democracy say.

I cant stand it, personally.

whoozwah

Friday Nov 7 2008, 07:10 PM

if it's not the government's job to protect people from themselves, would it be acceptable for them to at least make an effort to educate people on the effects of their conscious actions?

"we're not telling you not to take drugs, we're just telling you what they can do to you" so to speak.

LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 07:12 PM

H8sMikeMoore

Friday Nov 7 2008, 06:19 PM

not until he was elected. the people decided that the jews and slavs should be dead.

lets pretend that hitler wasnt elected.

if someone ran in a democracy and said "Elect me and ill kill all the niggers and kykes"

lets say he got elected, and he kills them. Thats tyranny of the majority, and coincidently the beauty of democracy as people who support democracy say.

I cant stand it, personally.

He convinced them. Want to know how? Their loan from America was stopped following the wall street crash a event which was primerly the fault of the conservative Americans. This caused outrage and revolt in Germany. They needed someone to blame...They blamed the Jews. So, in a sence, the capitalists of America are the reason facism and the rise of Hitler began. You're guilty for the deaths of many innocent lives.

LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 07:12 PM

He convinced them. Want to know how? Their loan from America was stopped following the wall street crash a event which was primerly the fault of the conservative Americans. This caused outrage and revolt in Germany. They needed someone to blame...They blamed the Jews. So, in a sence, the capitalists of America are the reason facism and the rise of Hitler began. You're guilty for the deaths of many innocent lives.

famicommander

Friday Nov 7 2008, 07:19 PM

LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 07:12 PM

He convinced them. Want to know how? Their loan from America was stopped following the wall street crash a event which was primerly the fault of the conservative Americans. This caused outrage and revolt in Germany. They needed someone to blame...They blamed the Jews. So, in a sence, the capitalists of America are the reason facism and the rise of Hitler began. You're guilty for the deaths of many innocent lives.

1. Libertarians are opposed to foreign aid and federal loan of all sorts. We never would have given them the money in the first place.

2. Libertarians would never have forced Germany to pay war repirations after WWI in the first place, which is what caused their economic woes.

3. The Wall Street crash was not the result of conservatives. It was the result of regulation. Regulation of the economy is a purely liberal concept.

4. Going from the slowing flow of money to the erradication of all Jewish people is a rather large leap to make. The United States government had no way of knowing the intentions of the German government.

5. Facism began with Mussolini and the Italian Facist Manifesto.

You're reaching pretty damn far here. And Marxism has the deaths of over 100,000,000 people on its hands.

LoOpY

Friday Nov 7 2008, 07:23 PM

I'm talking about the Conservative Americans not the Libertarians. The Libs weren't even formed at the time.
That's irrelevant. You accused h8tsmikemoore directly of being responsible and of being a conservative. He's not conservative, he's libertarian. That's the point. And further, it was the liberals, not the conservatives.

Although, yes, you're right about Mussolini, although they both rose into power at a similar time period.

The Marxism deaths are caused by the Russian civil war, mainly, which arguably benefited Russia, even if the Communist regime didn't work out in the end. It was Stalin who gave Communsim its wretched reputation, not Lenin.
The Russian Revolution benefitted the government, not the people. They had their rights sysematically destroyed and were slaughtered throughout the history of the USSR. And no, it was not just Stalin. Lenin controlled the press, intentionally starved millions to death (the Lenin Famine), and then turned Stalin loose on the world. And let's not forget Castro, Mao, Guevera, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il-Sung, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il, and Krushchev. They were all Communists as well.

There are conspiracy theories that America planned Germany to collapse and cause a war, but I need to prove if such an assumption is real or not.
Don't even bring such idiocy up. America was one of the last countries to involve itself in the War, and only did so because the Japanese attacked us.