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Times Online ranks the US presidents
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famicommander	Monday Nov 3 2008, 09:43 AM Post #1
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	This is easily the worst list I've ever seen. By far. Look at their rankings: 1. Abraham Lincoln 2. George Washington 3. Franklin Roosevelt 4. Thomas Jefferson 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Dwight Eisenhower 7. Harry Truman 8. Ronald Reagan 9. James Polk 10. Woodrow Wilson 11. John F. Kennedy 12. Lyndon B. Johnson 13. John Adams 14. Andrew Jackson 15. James Madison What the fuck kind of terrible list is that? Lincoln got us involved in the Civil fucking War. FDR prolonged the Great Depression by years. Teddy Roosevelt regulated everything in sight. Eisenhower was a great general, but his domestic policies were just a continuation of FDR's. Harry Truman got us involved with NATO and the United Nations, and nuked two Japanese cities. Woodrow Wilson literally caused the Great Depression with the anti-trust legislation, the creation of the Federal Reserve, and got us involved in World War I. JFK accomplished nothing, nearly killed us all, sent the first troops into Vietnam, and made Iraq what it is today. Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society policies took a major toll on the economy, stole good taxpayer money, and skyrocketed inner-city violence. Here is how my list looks: 1. Thomas Jefferson 2. George Washington 3. Grover Cleveland 4. Ronald Reagan 5. Calvin Coolidge Edited by famicommander, Monday Nov 3 2008, 09:52 AM.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


~~LoOpY~~	Monday Nov 3 2008, 11:09 AM Post #2
Bastard Klingons! Posts: 673 Group: Banned Member #22 Joined: Jul 29, 2008	WTF is wrong with you? Lincoln stopped slave labour! Sure, he was a racist and caused a civil war but he helped stop the slave trade. Would you really place the economy over human rights? And what is so bad about the UN and NATO? Edited by LoOpY, Monday Nov 3 2008, 11:10 AM.



Necrotrophic	Monday Nov 3 2008, 11:12 AM Post #3
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	Lincoln wasnt even that against slvery, which is why his party didnt even like him.



Necrotrophic	Monday Nov 3 2008, 11:14 AM Post #4
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	LoOpY Monday Nov 3 2008, 11:09 AM WTF is wrong with you? Lincoln stopped slave labour! Sure, he was a racist and caused a civil war but he helped stop the slave trade. Would you really place the economy over human rights? And what is so bad about the UN and NATO? going to war isnt the only way to free slaves mind you.



~~LoOpY~~	Monday Nov 3 2008, 12:26 PM Post #5
Bastard Klingons! Posts: 673 Group: Banned Member #22 Joined: Jul 29, 2008	H8sMikeMoore Monday Nov 3 2008, 11:14 AM LoOpY Monday Nov 3 2008, 11:09 AM WTF is wrong with you? Lincoln stopped slave labour! Sure, he was a racist and caused a civil war but he helped stop the slave trade. Would you really place the economy over human rights? And what is so bad about the UN and NATO? going to war isnt the only way to free slaves mind you. No, but like were the racists in the south ever going to listen. Edited by LoOpY, Monday Nov 3 2008, 12:26 PM.



Necrotrophic	Monday Nov 3 2008, 12:30 PM Post #6
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	dont assume that every person in the south had slaves, most people didnt have them. The Civil War was about much more than slavery, and if you were going to go back in time and ask people slavery might be one of the least common reasons cited. Abraham just wanted the blacks out of the country from what I recall.



~~LoOpY~~	Monday Nov 3 2008, 01:32 PM Post #7
Bastard Klingons! Posts: 673 Group: Banned Member #22 Joined: Jul 29, 2008	H8sMikeMoore Monday Nov 3 2008, 12:30 PM dont assume that every person in the south had slaves, most people didnt have them. The Civil War was about much more than slavery, and if you were going to go back in time and ask people slavery might be one of the least common reasons cited. Abraham just wanted the blacks out of the country from what I recall. From Wikipedia - The American Civil War (1861–1865), also known as the War Between the States and several other names, was a civil war in the United States of America. Eleven Southern slave states declared their secession from the U.S. and formed the Confederate States of America (the Confederacy). Led by Jefferson Davis, they fought against the U.S. federal government (the "Union"), which was supported by all the free states and the five border slave states. In the presidential election of 1860, the Republican Party, led by Abraham Lincoln, had campaigned against the expansion of slavery beyond the states in which it already existed. The Republican victory in that election resulted in seven Southern states declaring their secession from the Union even before Lincoln took office on March 4, 1861. Both the outgoing and incoming U.S. administrations rejected secession, regarding it as rebellion. It seems to agree with what I just said. To sum up, this was about slavery. Yes, it eventually developed into other means, but the slave trade was still the main reason for the civil war. Edited by LoOpY, Monday Nov 3 2008, 01:34 PM.



famicommander	Monday Nov 3 2008, 01:36 PM Post #8
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	LoOpY Monday Nov 3 2008, 11:09 AM WTF is wrong with you? Lincoln stopped slave labour! Sure, he was a racist and caused a civil war but he helped stop the slave trade. Would you really place the economy over human rights? And what is so bad about the UN and NATO? He only freed the slaves in Confederate States. The rest weren't freed until after his death. He did it solely to cripple the Southern economy, and he did it at the expense of over 800,000 American lives.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


famicommander	Monday Nov 3 2008, 01:38 PM Post #9
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	The main reason for the Civil War was the north wanting to cripple the Southern economy. This amounted to ending slavery simply because the South controlled the plantations and therefore the bulk of the money and power in the country. The Union government was full of power-hungry war mongerers. Every country on Earth ended slavery without a war except America. Figure it out.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


~~LoOpY~~	Monday Nov 3 2008, 02:01 PM Post #10
Bastard Klingons! Posts: 673 Group: Banned Member #22 Joined: Jul 29, 2008	famicommander Monday Nov 3 2008, 01:38 PM The main reason for the Civil War was the north wanting to cripple the Southern economy. This amounted to ending slavery simply because the South controlled the plantations and therefore the bulk of the money and power in the country. The Union government was full of power-hungry war mongerers. Every country on Earth ended slavery without a war except America. Figure it out. Your forgetting that the US, even back then, is one of the most powerful nations in the world! A war would've been inevitable considering the amount of wealth up for grabs. America depended on Slave labour as one of its main sources of income at the time, where as places like Britain were going through an industrial revolution. Edited by LoOpY, Monday Nov 3 2008, 02:02 PM.



famicommander	Monday Nov 3 2008, 02:25 PM Post #11
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	LoOpY Monday Nov 3 2008, 02:01 PM famicommander Monday Nov 3 2008, 01:38 PM The main reason for the Civil War was the north wanting to cripple the Southern economy. This amounted to ending slavery simply because the South controlled the plantations and therefore the bulk of the money and power in the country. The Union government was full of power-hungry war mongerers. Every country on Earth ended slavery without a war except America. Figure it out. Your forgetting that the US, even back then, is one of the most powerful nations in the world! A war would've been inevitable considering the amount of wealth up for grabs. America depended on Slave labour as one of its main sources of income at the time, where as places like Britain were going through an industrial revolution. No, war was not inevitable. If Lincoln had just let slavery die out gradually instead of trying to destroy it all at once, the war would have never happened.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Phenomonym	Monday Nov 3 2008, 04:24 PM Post #12
Sellin' all my money like err' god damn day Posts: 274 Group: Smang Member #14 Joined: Jul 28, 2008	Lincoln didn't start the war.... The South and the North had been building tensions since even before the Revolution. I disagree with Loopy that it was about slavery, but I agree with him that a war was inevitable.



Deadlypixels	Monday Nov 3 2008, 05:03 PM Post #13
Fuck with me. Do it. Posts: 4,317 Group: Moderators Member #4 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Lincoln wanted to preserve the union, and stopping slavery was one way of doing it.
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famicommander	Monday Nov 3 2008, 05:20 PM Post #14
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Germanesque Monday Nov 3 2008, 04:24 PM Lincoln didn't start the war.... The South and the North had been building tensions since even before the Revolution. I disagree with Loopy that it was about slavery, but I agree with him that a war was inevitable. The tensions were there, but no, war was not inevitable. All they had to do was not directly threaten the South repeatedly.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Frattracide's ghost	Monday Nov 3 2008, 05:50 PM Post #15
Baby Giraffe Posts: 616 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	^ or not try to legislate the south into poverty. That would have helped out a lot. . .



famicommander	Monday Nov 3 2008, 05:54 PM Post #16
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Indeed. I'm curious as to how you would rank the presidents, Fratt.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Frattracide's ghost	Monday Nov 3 2008, 07:28 PM Post #17
Baby Giraffe Posts: 616 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	1. Obama 2. FDR 3. Lincoln



Deadlypixels	Monday Nov 3 2008, 07:30 PM Post #18
Fuck with me. Do it. Posts: 4,317 Group: Moderators Member #4 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Frattracide's ghost Monday Nov 3 2008, 07:28 PM 1. Obama 2. FDR 3. Lincoln You should at least wait until Obama is president until you put him on your list. Silly. You're silly.
	"They should put me in a Tyler Perry movie 'cause I don't know how to act" -- Off Rip


famicommander	Monday Nov 3 2008, 07:39 PM Post #19
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	head explodes Edited by famicommander, Monday Nov 3 2008, 07:39 PM.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Deadlypixels	Monday Nov 3 2008, 07:40 PM Post #20
Fuck with me. Do it. Posts: 4,317 Group: Moderators Member #4 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	famicommander Monday Nov 3 2008, 07:39 PM head explodes Has sex with neck stump
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