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The Electoral College
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The_Ish	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 07:58 PM Post #1
Believe in me, who believes in you! Posts: 867 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	If you don't know, our votes don't actually chose the president. The people we vote for are the electors, who are the actual people who vote for the president. In other words, despite a popular majority, a candidate can lose an election because the electoral college votes in the interest of their electors. Essentially, the states decide, not the people. However, each state has an appropiate number of representatives based on population. However, I think this is a failure of a system. The Founding Fathers didn't put much faith in the common man to be up to date with politics, so they created this buffer. I can understand the reasoning from then, but nowadays, miss drug-addict hippy in Florida or her father mister red-neck wife beater in Alabama don't actually represent American interests. Edited by The_Ish, Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:01 PM.



Frattracide's ghost	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:01 PM Post #2
Baby Giraffe Posts: 616 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	I'd really rather not have LA and New York city make all the decisions for the US.



The_Ish	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:01 PM Post #3
Believe in me, who believes in you! Posts: 867 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	Me neither. Edited by The_Ish, Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:01 PM.



Frattracide's ghost	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:02 PM Post #4
Baby Giraffe Posts: 616 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	I don't understand, Are you arguing in favor or against the electoral college?



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:04 PM Post #5
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	The electoral college gives small states a voice. I like it.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


The_Ish	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:05 PM Post #6
Believe in me, who believes in you! Posts: 867 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	Against. I don't think any state should end up deciding which president wins the election.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:07 PM Post #7
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Without the Electoral College, only New York, LA, and Chicago would matter. And they're all very liberal cities. We'd be a socialist state.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


The_Ish	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:09 PM Post #8
Believe in me, who believes in you! Posts: 867 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	Socialist in what way?



Frattracide's ghost	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:10 PM Post #9
Baby Giraffe Posts: 616 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Well, the reason we have an electoral college is because if we didn't certain states would be able to bully all the others in regards to the election. Our system gives credence to the majority while allowing the minority to be counted. Remember, our system consists of semi-sovereign states and a federal government. The states are not supposed to be subordinate to the federal government.



The_Ish	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:12 PM Post #10
Believe in me, who believes in you! Posts: 867 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	How can they be sovereign at all if it's illegal to secede? Edited by The_Ish, Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:14 PM.



Frattracide's ghost	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:18 PM Post #11
Baby Giraffe Posts: 616 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	The_Ish Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:12 PM Their not sovereign in the least bit. If they were, they would have the choice to secede. That's illegal. They are supposed to be Semi-Sovereign. And "Having" the choice to secede is nonsensical. That would imply you were able to choose whether or not someone else would initiate force against you. I suggest you read the federalist papers and the anti-federalist papers to gain a better understanding of this issue.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:21 PM Post #12
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	The_Ish Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:09 PM Socialist in what way? Because the populations of those cities are so large and they all trend very, very liberal. There would NEVER be a conservative elected president again. Without the electoral college, states with small populations don't mean dick.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Deadlypixels	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:46 PM Post #13
Fuck with me. Do it. Posts: 4,317 Group: Moderators Member #4 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	I'm all for the electoral college, it should be a balance of the people and the government instead of 100% of one or the other.
	"They should put me in a Tyler Perry movie 'cause I don't know how to act" -- Off Rip


The_Ish	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 09:06 PM Post #14
Believe in me, who believes in you! Posts: 867 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	Frattracide's ghost Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:18 PM The_Ish Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 08:12 PM Their not sovereign in the least bit. If they were, they would have the choice to secede. That's illegal. They are supposed to be Semi-Sovereign. And "Having" the choice to secede is nonsensical. That would imply you were able to choose whether or not someone else would initiate force against you. I suggest you read the federalist papers and the anti-federalist papers to gain a better understanding of this issue. Link me?



Frattracide's ghost	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 09:23 PM Post #15
Baby Giraffe Posts: 616 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	To the books? Or to the semi-sovereign states thing? Because the states thing is an abstract ideal. which you can read about in the books I recommended.



Dracargen	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 09:54 PM Post #16
Newbie Posts: 24 Group: Members Member #60 Joined: Oct 23, 2008	I just wrote a long post and it didn't post. What the fuck. Summary: I don't mind the electoral college. The general population is too uneducated to put the world's most powerful leader into office. EC is flawed, but better than leaving the vote solely to retards, rednecks, druggies and racists.



moldonhold	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 09:56 PM Post #17
FUCK THE JETS Posts: 4,914 Group: Moderators Member #12 Joined: Jul 25, 2008	There are 4 fundamental flaws of the Electoral College: 1) As mentioned in OP, candidates can win the popular vote but still lose the presidency. 2) Votes are worth more in smaller states (because of the Senate). 3) States can choose electors differently. 4) Candidates alienate some states. Those are some pretty big flaws. So this begs the question: why do we still have it, or why hasn't it been changed? Personally, I don't have that much faith in the American public to decide the election solely by popular vote because the margin of error is extremely high. Electoral votes keeps everything so much cleaner.



Dracargen	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 10:13 PM Post #18
Newbie Posts: 24 Group: Members Member #60 Joined: Oct 23, 2008	moldonhold Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 09:56 PM There are 4 fundamental flaws of the Electoral College: 1) As mentioned in OP, candidates can win the popular vote but still lose the presidency. 2) Votes are worth more in smaller states (because of the Senate). 3) States can choose electors differently. 4) Candidates alienate some states. Those are some pretty big flaws. So this begs the question: why do we still have it, or why hasn't it been changed? Personally, I don't have that much faith in the American public to decide the election solely by popular vote because the margin of error is extremely high. Electoral votes keeps everything so much cleaner. Another reason is: The American election is not a popularity contest. It's not like American Idol (or at least, it shouldn't be) where you can vote away the best guy and elect the piss-poor candidate because his hair looks cute. Too many times have we had a drinking buddy rather than a president. The Electoral College at least helps to keep that number to a minimum.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 10:16 PM Post #19
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Dracargen Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 09:54 PM The general population is too uneducated to put the world's most powerful leader into office. EC is flawed, but better than leaving the vote solely to retards, rednecks, druggies and racists. Their opinions are just as valid as yours is, and it's incredibly elitist to assume that everyone except you votes out of ignorance.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


moldonhold	Tuesday Oct 28 2008, 10:16 PM Post #20
FUCK THE JETS Posts: 4,914 Group: Moderators Member #12 Joined: Jul 25, 2008	It's still a popularity contest though, whether the EC is involved or not. They don't limit drinking buddy presidents because they pretty much just vote for who the people vote for.



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