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Cube_of_MooN	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 03:42 PM Post #21
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Deadlypixels	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 03:43 PM Post #22
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famicommander	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 03:50 PM Post #23
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	That's hilarious. We were winners before Cutler, and now we're losers. But he's the one leading us down the winning path.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Cube_of_MooN	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 03:53 PM Post #24
Teh Cube Posts: 2,528 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	I bet Jay Cutler put that in there himself.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 04:04 PM Post #25
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	No, he probably didn't. The media polishes his knob all day long. They marvel at his successes and ignore his failures. If he throws an interception, it's because he has diabetes. If he throws a touchdown, it's because he's the next Elway.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Necrotrophic	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 04:26 PM Post #26
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	famicommander Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 03:38 PM Montana wasn't that good in Kansas City, so his not having talent there is irrelevant. But he had guys like Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lot, Fred Dean, Guy McIntyre, and the greatest coach of our generation (Bill Walsh). Elway had nobody. There are two Broncos in the Hall of Fame: Elway and Zimmerman (who played most of his career elsewhere). Elway made his receivers. His two best ever were Rod Smith and Ed McAffrey. Smith was an undrafted free agent and Ed had been cut from three teams before he came to Denver. Elway turned them both into All Pros. Montana has the championships, but Elway has him beat in both wins and come from behind wins. Elway did it all by himself. 1. Elway 2. Montana 3. Unitas 4. Favre 5. Terry Bradshaw Elway has more touchdowns, wins, yards, completions, and comebacks. Give Elway Jerry Rice and see what his number would've been. Also, Montana wouldn't have been shit without his offensive line. John Elway was fast, and he got sacked 516 times in his career (far more times than anyone else). Put Montana on the Broncos from those pre-Championship years and he barely makes the playoffs. Put Elway on those Montana Championship teams and they're still championship teams. And you're high if you think that Garcia or Hasselbeck are better quarterbacks than Brady. Elway has more touchdowns because he played in a different system than Montana did. Montana played in the WCO which means destroying the defense in the first half and then running down the clock with running most of the second half. Elway got sacked not only because of the line, but because of the system. Didnt the broncos run the Coryell system, or something like it? that sets up for some sacks. This is why bill walsh's system is better for passing, hes the one who turned it into a winning system anyway. Montana was also benched a lot because Walsh was setting up for Steve Young. Comebacks are what Elway's known for in the first place. I dont know what the record is between montana KC vs the broncos but I remember that one game in mile hile that montana one with a pretty terrible team. Jerry rice wasnt always good, he was a ball dropper at first. If Elway got Jerry Rice without bill walsh nobody would have known anything about him. Montana is easily the greatest QB of all time. The WCO qbs are better. Guys like marino arent that accurate throwing short and unfortunately most qbs in this league are more into failures like Marino than they are Montana. I dont think brady is a good qb. hes just another slinger whose team got severely exposed last year by weak weak teams. WCO qbs are the best in the league because their accuracy is superior to slinger qbs. Brady's favorite QB is Montana, but he dosent play like him. I would like to see Brady running the Seattle Seahawks offense for a few weeks and see how he manages the short passes, which are harder.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 04:30 PM Post #27
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	"The WCO qbs are better." That's a broad assumption. Elway was a winner, pure and simple. He could always throw the ball deep and accurate. Don't think for a second that he wouldn't have been able to get the ball to Jerry Rice. Rice was undeniably the best receiver ever. Whether short passes are harder or not depends upon the quarterback, the receiver, and the coverage. The fact of the matter is that Tom Brady destroyed every statistic that a QB could last year. You can't tell me he's not a good quarterback, because you've seen what his team has become without him.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Necrotrophic	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 04:34 PM Post #28
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	He would be able to get the ball to jerry rice, after bill walsh trained him. if bill didnt like him, he wouldnt have even got into the NFL. He was a ball dropper and if you dont believe me watch his retirement video on youtube. Throwing the ball really deep is simplistic in comparison to the complex WCO. The plays are typically simple, but the way its executed is harder. To throw deep you simply look and throw. Often you have to make blind timing based throws in WCO. Which I think Elway would fall apart doing. Which is why WCO qbs are the best in the league, and thats why hasselbeck and garcia are on that list. Stats arent much honestly, if you're running WCO your stats wouldnt match up against slingers but chances are your team will beat them, especially if you have good safeties. I saw what the pats became last year WITH him, basically losing to the ravens (billick being of walsh's tree) Id be surprised if the pats win another superbowl Edited by Necrotrophic, Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 04:37 PM.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 04:45 PM Post #29
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	You're nuts. He was the number 16 overall pick in the draft. Anyone would've stuck by him through a few dropped balls. There's reason he was the first receiver taken in the draft. The Patriots are old... They may not win another Super Bowl. But it doesn't change the fact that they've won three of them. You've got no basis for thinking that Elway wouldn't be able to run the West Coast Offense. He was an accurate passer. Elway won his second Super Bowl under the West Coast Offense and his first under the old Bronco offense. But I wish you'd quit sucking the West Coast Offense's dick all day. Lots of teams run it, and most of them don't win. The Patriots have been to five Super Bowls in the last 11 years and they didn't run it. It's about fitting your personnel to the offense, not fitting the offense to the personnel. The Rams went to two in a row (and won one) and didn't run the WCO. A quarterback is ultimately measured by his success. What have Matt Hasselbeck and Jeff Garcia won in comparison to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning? No one system is inherently superior to any other. It's about the team's ability to run said system.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Necrotrophic	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 04:56 PM Post #30
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	famicommander Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 04:45 PM You're nuts. He was the number 16 overall pick in the draft. Anyone would've stuck by him through a few dropped balls. There's reason he was the first receiver taken in the draft. The Patriots are old... They may not win another Super Bowl. But it doesn't change the fact that they've won three of them. You've got no basis for thinking that Elway wouldn't be able to run the West Coast Offense. He was an accurate passer. Elway won his second Super Bowl under the West Coast Offense and his first under the old Bronco offense. But I wish you'd quit sucking the West Coast Offense's dick all day. Lots of teams run it, and most of them don't win. The Patriots have been to five Super Bowls in the last 11 years and they didn't run it. It's about fitting your personnel to the offense, not fitting the offense to the personnel. The Rams went to two in a row (and won one) and didn't run the WCO. A quarterback is ultimately measured by his success. What have Matt Hasselbeck and Jeff Garcia won in comparison to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning? No one system is inherently superior to any other. It's about the team's ability to run said system. clearly you dont know the history of jerry rice if you think anyone thought highly of him at first I dont think the pats will win another superbowl because theyre exposed. Shanahan is well known for his run heavy variation of the WCO. He did the same thing with the 9ers. Theres really not too many big time WCO teams honestly. But theres also a lack of quality QB's in the NFL right now. Yeah its about fitting your offense, any system can work. I simply think the WCO is the best one because in its purest form got to 5 super bowls before anyone else, and the steelers and the cowboys had a major head start. you could say that, but then you'd have to admit montana is better. Because Montana has way more success than Elway did. Garcia would have won a super bowl, and possibly many more but the 49ers organization fell apart that year and started the firing process by the time the 9ers played the bucs. That same reason is the reason we have the 49ers we have today and not the 49ers we all remember. Hasselbeck probably could have won that superbowl. However, I dont know enough about seattles organization as a whole to evaluate his situation. I dont know, I think theres a few systems that are considered elite and theres a ton that are not used very much. Im not a fan of the urban meyer system personally. the coryell system abuses qb's and isnt that successful if you look at history. It worked sometimes, but it ruins qbs, so its limited. The Rams were very coryell inspired, luckily they had a competent team. But like it usually does a lot of players get worn quickly which is why I dont think it works out too well.



Deadlypixels	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:01 PM Post #31
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famicommander	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:03 PM Post #32
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Montana had more success because of the people around him. And to think that Bill Walsh was the only one who could've taught Rice to stop dropping the ball is fucking ludicrious. I'm well aware that he had problems early on, but there's a fucking reason he was a first rounder. Elway had more talent than Montana. He was bigger, stronger, faster, could throw farther, and could win games by himself. He won with no one around him, he won in Dan Reeves' system, and he won in the WCO. Elway is the better quarterback.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Cube_of_MooN	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:05 PM Post #33
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Necrotrophic	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:15 PM Post #34
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	famicommander Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:03 PM Montana had more success because of the people around him. And to think that Bill Walsh was the only one who could've taught Rice to stop dropping the ball is fucking ludicrious. I'm well aware that he had problems early on, but there's a fucking reason he was a first rounder. Elway had more talent than Montana. He was bigger, stronger, faster, could throw farther, and could win games by himself. He won with no one around him, he won in Dan Reeves' system, and he won in the WCO. Elway is the better quarterback. in other words.... a qb is easured by his success except elway, whose the best. and, just because he was a first rounder dosent mean anything. Theres tons of good people in the first round that dont make it. It depends on the coach who trains them to play like an NFL player. Almost Nobody comes into the NFL playing NFL quality football. If you watch Jerry Rice's retirement video he goes on about how nobody believed in him. Jerry Rice is known for not being that fast, if you have a slinger qb you're required to be fast. Which is why nobody believed in Jerry, and thats why Walsh did.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:29 PM Post #35
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	Elway went to five Super Bowls. No one else did that. Elway was the all-time leader in wins until last year when Favre passed him up. Elway is the all-time leader in come from behind victories. If that isn't success, I don't know what is. Elway is currently the only Broncos player in the Hall of Fame from four of his five Super Bowl teams. Elway did it by himself. The Drive. Enough said. Rice wasn't that fast, but he ran perfect routes every time. He didn't have sprinter speed, but he had the ability to create separation. That's all Elway would've needed. Rice was a first rounder. Rod Smith didn't get drafted at all and Ed McCaffery got cut from multiple teams. Those are the guys that Elway won with. Elway made them great. Neither were great before Elway, and neither were great after Elway.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Necrotrophic	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:38 PM Post #36
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	famicommander Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:29 PM Elway went to five Super Bowls. No one else did that. Elway was the all-time leader in wins until last year when Favre passed him up. Elway is the all-time leader in come from behind victories. If that isn't success, I don't know what is. Elway is currently the only Broncos player in the Hall of Fame from four of his five Super Bowl teams. Elway did it by himself. The Drive. Enough said. Rice wasn't that fast, but he ran perfect routes every time. He didn't have sprinter speed, but he had the ability to create separation. That's all Elway would've needed. Rice was a first rounder. Rod Smith didn't get drafted at all and Ed McCaffery got cut from multiple teams. Those are the guys that Elway won with. Elway made them great. Neither were great before Elway, and neither were great after Elway. what good are superbowls if you dont win them? nobody goes to superbowls to lose them, and if montana was in sanfran longer you could bet your ass he would be more than 5 and the team would be beyond 5 wins. the 49ers had the perfect storm that prevents them from going beyond 5 super bowl wins as a franchise as well. its also important to note : THE AFC WAS WEAK UNTIL JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. Do I need to mention the fact that the 49ers absolutely annihilated the Broncos in a super bowl? 55-10 THAT is an ass kicking montana even beat the broncos with a poor kc team. did the Elway ever go 18-1? Nope. Montana did. Im not impressed with getting near the finish line and passing out. Also, Rice had some interest in the NFL no doubt. But he was valued more by the USFL. the only other team that legitimatly had interest in jerry were the cowboys. Other teams did talk to him though, but teams talk to lots of people they dont draft. Aaron Rodgers was told he would be drafted by the 49ers for example, the team he wanted to be on. But we all see how they went right? Edited by Necrotrophic, Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:40 PM.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:44 PM Post #37
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	18-1 vs 17-2. Big deal there. And yes, that was an ass-kicking the 49ers put on the Broncos. Do you know why? Because the Broncos had no business even getting to that game. They got there on Elway's shoulders alone. And Montana was SURROUNDED BY ALL-PRO AND HALL OF FAME TALENT. The Steelers were up 17-0 in the divisional game before Elway brought the Broncos back and won in the last second (like he did in two AFC Championships against the Browns (Read: The Drive and The Fumble). Elway had NO ONE. He did it BY HIMSELF. Elway carried three talentless teams to three Super Bowls that they had no business playing in. Edited by famicommander, Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:44 PM.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Necrotrophic	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:47 PM Post #38
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	if the broncos had no business getting to that game in the afc at the time then they obvviously werent a good team. the AFC was disgustingly weak at the time, and most people considered the NFC Championship to be the real height of football. Marino carried a bad team to the bowl too, and I find him to be a bad qb. Hes just a slinger (who also got destroyed by montanas team) I do think Elway is a good qb however, unlike Marino. I mean theres no doubt Elway is legit, but hes just not anywhere near the best and most people dont consider him, even the fans of his inherit style.



famicommander	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:54 PM Post #39
Wipe that face off your head, bitch. Posts: 19,557 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jul 24, 2008	H8sMikeMoore Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:47 PM if the broncos had no business getting to that game in the afc at the time then they obvviously werent a good team. You just proved my point. He carried a bad team to the Super Bowl by himself. Elway is the only QB with five Conference Championship games. Elway is the all-time leader in comeback victories. Elway won more games than Montana. Elway threw for more yards than Montana. Elway threw for more touchdowns than Montana. Elway had more completions than Montana. Elway had a better arm than Montana. Elway was faster than Montana. Elway won consistently with no talent around him. Elway won, despite being sacked more times than any person in NFL history. Elway had terrible coaches most of his career. Wade Phillips pause for laughs and Dan Reeves (lost more Super Bowls than anyone without winning one) Sorry, but Elway is the better quarterback.
	Denver Broncos: defending champs, 8-6, next game 12/25 @ Kansas City Chiefs Colorado Rockies: 75-87, missed playoffs Colorado Avalanche: 11-18-1, next game 12/20 @ Minnesota Wild Denver Nuggets: 12-16, next game 12/20 @ Los Angeles Clippers Colorado Mammoth: first game 12/30 @ Buffalo Bandits Denver Outlaws: defending champs, first game 4/22 @ Charlotte Hounds Colorado State Rams football: 7-5, next game Idaho Bowl 12/22 vs Idaho Vandals Colorado State Rams basketball: 8-4, next game 12/22 vs Long Beach State 49ers Winnipeg Blue Bombers: 11-7, lost West Division Semifinal Denver Pioneers Lacrosse: first game 1/24 vs Johns Hopkins Blue Jays #2 Denver Pioneers Hockey: 12-3-3, next game 12/30 @ Providence College Friars


Necrotrophic	Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 05:59 PM Post #40
change molds name back in 2011 Posts: 7,126 Group: Members Member #43 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	You just proved my point. He carried a bad team to the Super Bowl by himself. Elway is the only QB with five Conference Championship games. AFC Confrence championships arent impressive back then. The afc had no strong teams back then Elway is the all-time leader in comeback victories. thats what he was good at. Montana put teams away. Elway won more games than Montana. Yeah, Montana was in the NFC. Elway threw for more yards than Montana. Thats because Elway was more of a slinger. Ive been talking about this the entire time Elway threw for more touchdowns than Montana. Thats because he was a slinger, and not in the WCO which emphisizes running the clock in the entire second half Elway had more completions than Montana. I really doubt this, but it may be true. Again, they run the clock the entire second half if theyre ahead Elway had a better arm than Montana. Not a chance in hell, throwing the ball farther dosent mean you have a better arm. Being a slinger dosent make you good. Elway was good because he was able to delve into the WCO a bit. But that HC was very run heavy anyway Elway was faster than Montana. Montana had a quick release Elway won consistently with no talent around him. Elway won a lot in the AFC. Montana won in KC, against a better Broncos team. Elway won, despite being sacked more times than any person in NFL history. Ok, fantastic. Elway had terrible coaches most of his career. Wade Phillips pause for laughs and Dan Reeves (lost more Super Bowls than anyone without winning one) Sorry, but Elway is the better quarterback Not even close. as history shows Edited by Necrotrophic, Tuesday Oct 21 2008, 06:00 PM.



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